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Old 01-22-2014, 12:00 PM   #1
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Cool If going green is your thing!?!

Saw this company's website banner ad while on another forum. There's even a battery powered motard in their line-up

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Repost, but as the technology gets better it's more interesting.

To me, I like the electric car better than the bike...but either way it's cool
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I'd love one... but not enough to pay that much extra over a similar powered, high MPG, gas engine bike. It simply doesn't save any money until you rack up some serious mileage (one charge at a time... no long weekend rides). And that takes into account the maintenance savings too.

Zero's bikes do continually improve... battery life, power, and top speed are ever increasing.

BMW/triumph on the south side (kinda near Two Wheel Toys) was a dealer and had all the models on the show room floor.
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I'd like to see what it's like to do the ton (100+) with no engine sound. I mean other than when my voltage regulator used to fail me on the track.
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I would love to have one of these.

If they were maybe 8,000 instead of 13 I'd probably be all over it.
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Better be with close to $15k in suspension and wheels alone.
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yeah going price is about 40k right now
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There are also the Brammos. I've seen some comparisons/reviews, and these tend to nudge out the Zeros in every head-to head competition. Just as expensive, unfortunately, but at least you get a real 6-speed transmission. Had an electric scooter once (essentially a bike frame with a motor and battery bolted on). Almost zero maintenance, and easy enough to work on. Wouldn't mind one of these someday as a commuter-only ride, but at these prices? And living in an apartment with no easy way to charge one every day? It's just not gonna happen any time soon.

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Most electricity is generated from burning coal. It takes roughly one pound of coal to generate one kWh of electricity, whereas one gallon of gasoline...when burned...can generate 13kWh of electricity. It takes about 8kWh of electricity to make one gallon of gasoline. 13-8=5kWh. Gasoline is more efficient.

Burning coal for electricity generates more carbon dioxide and methane than gasoline in passenger vehicles. There are roughly 600 coal burning power plants in the US that produce around 4 million tons of carbon dioxide annually (2.4 billion tons), and around 254M vehicles in the US producing around 5 tons each annually (1.7 billion tons).

The more electricity you use, the more you hurt the environment. Buying electric vehicles to "go green" is complete unless the electricity to power them comes from solar panels or a windmill.

"going green." It's a BS feel good mantra people use to pat themselves on the back because they aren't burning fossil fuels directly.
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Ummm all the Gen units around here run on hydrogen. Coal/coke units are quickly getting phase out. Not saying your post is false, just saying you may need to tweek them numbers.
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Most electricity is generated from burning coal. It takes roughly one pound of coal to generate one kWh of electricity, whereas one gallon of gasoline...when burned...can generate 13kWh of electricity. It takes about 8kWh of electricity to make one gallon of gasoline. 13-8=5kWh. Gasoline is more efficient.

Burning coal for electricity generates more carbon dioxide and methane than gasoline in passenger vehicles. There are roughly 600 coal burning power plants in the US that produce around 4 million tons of carbon dioxide annually (2.4 billion tons), and around 254M vehicles in the US producing around 5 tons each annually (1.7 billion tons).

The more electricity you use, the more you hurt the environment. Buying electric vehicles to "go green" is complete unless the electricity to power them comes from solar panels or a windmill.

"going green." It's a BS feel good mantra people use to pat themselves on the back because they aren't burning fossil fuels directly.


Well, like most technologies, it has to start some where, and i would rather it start now than later on when we have a seriously low and dangerous fuel shortage.

And, i apologize as i'm new 'round here, but the whole "coal burning, battery making, gas-is-better rant i hear from folks normally just sounds like an excuse . Electric vehicles are a great alternative and doesnt have to have anything to do with "being green".
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Do you know what it takes to make those batteries? How much transit they go thru to get from the mercury plants to final assembly? I think you would be shocked to know how much fuel is burned during the process and how many countries they visit BEFORE they even make it to any of the vehicles. Not saying that having the ball rolling isn't exactly horrible but they are FAR from "energy efficiant" comparitively.
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Do you know what it takes to make those batteries? How much transit they go thru to get from the mercury plants to final assembly? I think you would be shocked to know how much fuel is burned during the process and how many countries they visit BEFORE they even make it to any of the vehicles. Not saying that having the ball rolling isn't exactly horrible but they are FAR from "energy efficiant" comparitively.
I'd reason its the same amount of fuel we'd burn to get and transport all of that oil and gas around too.

But, i'll say it again, i don't think that any of that has much to do with electric vehicles being "bad". I think its a new technology that could be worth it in the future. Regardless of how efficient it is right now.

And i, personally, think it makes the MOST sense in motorcycles. But it really is a shame that they are so damned expensive
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I'd find it quite enjoyable if I didn't have to make a special trip for gas and if there's little to no maintenance on the bike
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plus, ALL THAT TORQUE!

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I'd think stunters would be all over these things.
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I'd think stunters would be all over these things.
I heard that at least for the zero line of motorcycles, they have some kind of limiter at low speed to keep the bike from losing traction and it seems kind of sluggish in low gears. Once you get going it has a ton of torque.

Of course I'm sure the stunters could find some way to disable it.
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Well, like most technologies, it has to start some where, and i would rather it start now than later on when we have a seriously low and dangerous fuel shortage.

And, i apologize as i'm new 'round here, but the whole "coal burning, battery making, gas-is-better rant i hear from folks normally just sounds like an excuse . Electric vehicles are a great alternative and doesnt have to have anything to do with "being green".
Excuse for what? sure companies should be doing R&D on new technologies, and if you want to support that by buying their products, good for you. Just as people didn't dump newspapers as soon as the internet was available, and just as people didn't dump their land lines for cell phones in the 80s, people aren't going to ditch their gas bikes for electrics yet. It has nothing to do with "making excuses". Its about not jumping up to overspend on inferior technology. One day, electric vehicles may be the obvious choice, but that day has not come yet.
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