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Old 01-17-2014, 09:29 AM   #21
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I stop, if there is no traffic to trip the light, I run it.

If you know of a light that doesn't trip for motorcycles, report it to the municipality (and keep a record of your reportings).

If you do get a ticket, you at least have a record that the light does not meet Texas code (all automated traffic controls have to recognise motorcycles), and have a basis to have it thrown out.
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I thought I remember reading at one point that there was a provision in the code for allowing you to treat a "malfunctioning" signal as a stop sign, and if you didn't get a green after 3 cycles it was considered "malfunctioning".

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Is it legal to make a left turn at a red light here?

In Minnesota you could do so if the lights cycled one time and skipped you.
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Is it legal to make a left turn at a red light here?
If you're on a one way street turning left onto a one way street you can
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ah, found a handy document. 13 states address this by giving motorcycles a right to go on red, Texas does not address a "malfunctioning" light.

http://www.safe-route.org/laws/State...-warticles.pdf
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2 States had laws requiring the DOT and local agencies to install sensors which detect
motorcycles and bicycles, but provide no guidance when they don’t work correctly:
o Texas, addresses motorcycles, and does not indicate for just new or also existing
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18. Can I cross an intersection on a red light if my bike doesn't trigger the signal to change?

No, there are no provisions in Texas law that will allow any non-emergency vehicle to bypass a red light. You will need to turn or change lanes legally when safe then find another route. As stated in Texas Transportation Code (TRC) 544.0075 certain traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signals are required to be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle

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18. Can I cross an intersection on a red light if my bike doesn't trigger the signal to change?

No, there are no provisions in Texas law that will allow any non-emergency vehicle to bypass a red light. You will need to turn or change lanes legally when safe then find another route. As stated in Texas Transportation Code (TRC) 544.0075 certain traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signals are required to be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle

http://www.dps.texas.gov/msb/msbfaqs.htm

So, theoretically, if you came to a 'T' intersection with the lone intersecting road going off to the left and the light never changed then you'd just have to sit there indefinitely to avoid breaking the law?

Yeah, that's gonna happen.
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So, theoretically, if you came to a 'T' intersection with the lone intersecting road going off to the left and the light never changed then you'd just have to sit there indefinitely to avoid breaking the law?

Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Why couldn't you make a right and then a U-turn?
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So, theoretically, if you came to a 'T' intersection with the lone intersecting road going off to the left and the light never changed then you'd just have to sit there indefinitely to avoid breaking the law?

Yeah, that's gonna happen.
U-Turn, back track a dozen miles and find another route duh
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Why couldn't you make a right and then a U-turn?
At a 'T' intersection that has no road to the right? Turn right into whatever happens to be on the right? Say Galveston Bay?

And how do you make a legal U-turn at an intersection like this? I don't see how you can against a red light.
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18. Can I cross an intersection on a red light if my bike doesn't trigger the signal to change?

No, there are no provisions in Texas law that will allow any non-emergency vehicle to bypass a red light. You will need to turn or change lanes legally when safe then find another route. As stated in Texas Transportation Code (TRC) 544.0075 certain traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signals are required to be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle

http://www.dps.texas.gov/msb/msbfaqs.htm
It's been established that they say "you can't disobey the light, period", and it appears they justify this by saying "all electronically triggered lights MUST register the presence of a motorcycle". However, they don't address what you do when that electronic trigger malfunctions.

Example, I'm at a small cross street intersecting a state highway, say hwy 6. I'm in the left turn lane and the light won't change. Technically, I'd have to break the law in order to turn right and make a u-turn further down the highway, as you can't change lanes within so many feet of an intersection. If you're breaking the law anyway on technicality, why not just treat it as a stop sign and go when there is no traffic that would make proceeding unsafe?

In this particular scenario I waited through three light cycles BECAUSE there was a cop sitting behind me. He finally got over his loudspeaker and told me to go as soon as the intersection was clear. I only know of two lights that consistently don't change for me, and I'll sit through one cycle and then treat it as a stop sign (or left turn yield) when the lane next to me in the same direction has it's next green. But then again, I'm an established law-breaking hooligan.
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At a 'T' intersection that has no road to the right? Turn right into whatever happens to be on the right? Say Galveston Bay?

And how do you make a legal U-turn at an intersection like this? I don't see how you can against a red light.
Walk your bike backwards 50ft away from the light then turn around?
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At a 'T' intersection that has no road to the right? Turn right into whatever happens to be on the right? Say Galveston Bay?

And how do you make a legal U-turn at an intersection like this? I don't see how you can against a red light.
I get it. You're at the top of the "T". There may be no legal way out of it.
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its legal to run red lights as long as you stop and look first

ive done it in front of several cops never had a problem
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The Texas code argument is technically not valid on its face. It only applies to lights that have had motorcycle detecting sensors installed since after the law came into effect. So really old intersections may still be outside the scope of the law.

If you look at the legislative commentary that accompanies the law:

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“Section 544.0075, Transportation Code, as added by this Act, applies only to a detector that is installed, replaced, calibrated, or recalibrated in connection with a traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signal on or after the effective date [Sept. 1, 2007] of this Act.”

But I would print out the statute and bring it in anyway. Most traffic prosecutors won't know the commentary.
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