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Old 01-30-2014, 07:29 AM   #161
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The difference would be that they aren't a business or a private company. They have no competition and can charge whatever the they want. The more they charge, the more they profit, less people use it and the free roads become almost useless, forcing people to pay their ridiculous prices.
Their competition is all the roads that were in place before the toll ways were built. You seem to have a problem with "supply and demand" and free enterprise. Are you a communist? Roll your out of bed earlier to avoid traffic
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Who owns the roads that were built before the toll ways were built?

I'm at work everyday by 6. Getting here isn't the problem. It's the "rush hour" that lasts from 3:30 to 7 p.m. daily.

There is a huge difference between supply and demand and price gouging.

Do you know what the definition of "free enterprise" is? Apparently not. it's this:

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an economic and political doctrine holding that a capitalist economy can regulate itself in a freely competitive market through the relationship of supply and demand with a minimum of governmental intervention and regulation."

Sounds like a government owned toll road that is competing with free roads that they also own to me.

I bet you want the red light cameras to be turned back on too. You're such a capitalist.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:51 AM   #163
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I bet you want the red light cameras to be turned back on too. You're such a capitalist.
Indeed! The HCTRA doesn't own 610, neither does Harris County. Enjoy

I guess you made a big mistake by moving to and or working in Houston. FYI, Texas has hundreds of small towns with no traffic. You're welcome
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I think they should raise the fee to ~$15 per toll. That would really make my commute home faster...

and like I said earlier... getting charged a toll while on my motorcycle is a RARE occurance... and this attention will just make them make sure they are able to detect all bikes at all tolls....

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Indeed! The HCTRA doesn't own 610, neither does Harris County. Enjoy
I never said it was. I said government owned. That is why I have a problem with them "selling" anything. It's something that should be left to the private sector, so that there can be a competitive market. The government shouldn't be operating any businesses. If wal-mart owned another toll road that ran parallel to it, it would likely be a lot cheaper. This would inhibit the government from charging whatever the they want.

So lets sum this up:

You like toll roads and think they're a form of free enterprise...even though the government owns them with no competition.

You want the red light cameras back because that's also free enterprise...even though it's not even possible for a private company to start a "business" profiting off red lights.

You agree with Mr. Storey and his line of bullshit. BTW I'm pretty sure his first name is likely.

And I'm the communist? It sounds to me like You're cool with the government owning everything.

Also, You just mentioned that you ride as close as legally possible to the line in order to avoid detection, yet bash me for asking people if it works.

...Does anyone know this guy in person? I think He is actually Anise Parker.
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I never said it was. I said government owned. That is why I have a problem with them "selling" anything. It's something that should be left to the private sector, so that there can be a competitive market. The government shouldn't be operating any businesses. If wal-mart owned another toll road that ran parallel to it, it would likely be a lot cheaper. This would inhibit the government from charging whatever the they want.

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You like toll roads and think they're a form of free enterprise...even though the government owns them with no competition.

You want the red light cameras back because that's also free enterprise...even though it's not even possible for a private company to start a "business" profiting off red lights.

You agree with Mr. Storey and his line of bullshit. BTW I'm pretty sure his first name is likely.

And I'm the communist? It sounds to me like You're cool with the government owning everything.

Also, You just mentioned that you ride as close as legally possible to the line in order to avoid detection, yet bash me for asking people if it works.

...Does anyone know this guy in person? I think He is actually Anise Parker.
So you'd rather folks be forced to pay additional taxes for roads that they never use? That sounds fair

FYI, I have an EZtag and riding next to the stripe is not illegal and doesn't work on every toll road
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So you'd rather folks be forced to pay additional taxes for roads that they never use? That sounds fair

FYI, I have an EZtag and riding next to the stripe is not illegal and doesn't work on every toll road
Actually I'd just rather quit arguing about it

But for the sake of interwebz entertainment...I think that if everyone were taxed, they would actually use the road since it's free and other roads in the city would be less congested because the traffic is more spread out. I also think that the county would focus the funds to improve the roads that are in the most need, instead of using almost all the money to fix a toll road that isn't loaded with pot holes, piece milled spots of raggedy pavement and extreme traffic congestion. I think Jimmy the gent had some pretty accurate interpretations of what the toll roads are for.

BTW I plan on doing the same thing you do when the EZ tag comes in. Hopefully it works on the mystery toll road.
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Actually I'd just rather quit arguing about it

But for the sake of interwebz entertainment...I think that if everyone were taxed, they would actually use the road since it's free and other roads in the city would be less congested because the traffic is more spread out. I also think that the county would focus the funds to improve the roads that are in the most need, instead of using almost all the money to fix a toll road that isn't loaded with pot holes, piece milled spots of raggedy pavement and extreme traffic congestion. I think Jimmy the gent had some pretty accurate interpretations of what the toll roads are for.

BTW I plan on doing the same thing you do when the EZ tag comes in. Hopefully it works on the mystery toll road.
If the toll road doesn't take them to or from work, they're not going to use it. The county doesn't maintain state highways, interstates, or city of Houston streets, so there's that.
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If the toll road doesn't take them to or from work, they're not going to use it. The county doesn't maintain state highways, interstates, or city of Houston streets, so there's that.
It takes me directly to work, but I don't use it because it's not worth the money for me.

Since the HCTRA system as a whole is paid for, if it were to shut down right this minute, I'm thinking the only thing that would happen is...We wouldn't have to pay tolls...oh and Mr. Likely Storey would have to retire. I bet that would just kill him. He would probably be so broke that he would need to be on welfare and food stamps.

Sure the road condition would eventually deteriorate to something less than perfect, but it's not like it's going to be allowed to become unusable...would be no different than any of the roads that are currently not being maintained by the county.
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It takes me directly to work, but I don't use it because it's not worth the money for me.

Since the HCTRA system as a whole is paid for, if it were to shut down right this minute, I'm thinking the only thing that would happen is...We wouldn't have to pay tolls...oh and Mr. Likely Storey would have to retire. I bet that would just kill him. He would probably be so broke that he would need to be on welfare and food stamps.

Sure the road condition would eventually deteriorate to something less than perfect, but it's not like it's going to be allowed to become unusable...would be no different than any of the roads that are currently not being maintained by the county.
So once your car is paid for you never have to put any money into it?

I think you should start a petition to raise taxes to maintain roads built by Harris County and for the construction of new roads
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So once your car is paid for you never have to put any money into it?
I understand that maintaining roads is extremely expensive...all I'm saying is that they somehow manage to at least half maintain roads like 610 without charging tolls. I'd rather dodge a few pot holes here and there instead of paying 1.75 every ten miles.
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That's you. I wouldn't, and since I'm a native Texan, I'm better than you
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That's you. I wouldn't, and since I'm a native Texan, I'm better than you
Florida is rated to have the highest quality roads in the country and there are only three toll roads in the whole state.
How do they pay for it? from out of state paying tourism taxes.

None of their roads are that concrete slab where there's an expansion joint every 100ft wearing out your suspension (except in miami, which is an embarrassment to the whole state, but that's another story)...not that I don't like living in Houston, the transportation system is just one of the downsides.
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Florida is rated to have the highest quality roads in the country and there are only three toll roads in the whole state.
How do they pay for it? from out of state paying tourism taxes.

None of their roads are that concrete slab where there's an expansion joint every 100ft wearing out your suspension (except in miami, which is an embarrassment to the whole state, but that's another story)...not that I don't like living in Houston, the transportation system is just one of the downsides.
The State of Texas has just a tiny bit more miles of roads than FL does. I think we need to raise taxes on non-natives
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