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Old 01-14-2014, 07:03 PM   #1
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Toll Roads and Appearance in Court 1-28

OK stop the yacking and do something about this.
I signed up to appear before the Commissioners court on January 28th to discuss Motorcycles, Tolls and at least reducing the amount.
I will be hearing back to see if it is accepted and if I am show some support by joining me.

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I like this idea. But maybe it will have a negative effect. What if they like the thought of lower motorcycle prices but in turn add/increase the toll detecting equipment to fully detect motorcycles? Now instead of paying one toll out of 20 I pay 20/20 thus increasing my bottom line cost to ride on the toll highways...
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Again yall need to stop discussing it or you will lose the ability to do so.

GLEN, if time permits ill show up. Necer been to one, sounds fun.
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Again yall need to stop discussing it or you will lose the ability to do so.

GLEN, if time permits ill show up. Necer been to one, sounds fun.
Great. I will go with what the premise that
1-Cars have more than two axles
2-bikes take up less space
3-bikes wear and tear on the road is less
4-still thinking. I may look for any comparative data from other locations and if there is a difference between them.

To the naysayers about negative effect to bad, fair is fair, and do you really think they will up the sensitivity if they haven't already, I have just readd enough to realize that unless the issue is talked about and addressed nothing will change. Tired of people griping about it and not doing anything about it.
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:19 PM   #5
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Interesting. I will be at court that day taking care of my fix it ticket.
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Cars have more than 2 axles???
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Cars have more than 2 axles???
Axles are split at the differential, not a solid piece so technically three, But does it matter for this? I can always go with
1-space bikes take up
2-wear and tear on road
3-gas savings
4-we don't text while driving
5-plus other reasons (suggest some additional valid reasons to add to the list)

Lot's of reasons so if the axle angle is no good then move on to others. Why don't you join and provide some input.
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Lot's of reasons so if the axle angle is no good then move on to others. Why don't you join and provide some input.
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Yea, I wouldn't use the axle argument
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Axles are split at the differential, not a solid piece so technically three, But does it matter for this? I can always go with
1-space bikes take up
2-wear and tear on road
3-gas savings
4-we don't text while driving
5-plus other reasons (suggest some additional valid reasons to add to the list)

Lot's of reasons so if the axle angle is no good then move on to others. Why don't you join and provide some input.
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Keep in mind the front is not a single solid axle either. They rotate independently. I can't believe I even typed that.
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Why not? It is the basis for how they charge currently and is one of the most valid argument there is against how they currently treat motorcycles. By their logic two motorcycles driving side by side holding hands constitutes 2 axles.

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It is true the a car technically has three axle's...If that doesn't work you could say that a motorcycle only has the same amount of wheels as one axle.

Bottom line is less wheels, less weight, less potential for damage to the roadway. Also helps to ease traffic congestion by encouraging more people to ride motorcycles.
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Why not? It is the basis for how they charge currently and is one of the most valid argument there is against how they currently treat motorcycles. By their logic two motorcycles driving side by side holding hands constitutes 2 axles.

P.S. Glen, I will try to be there.
Let us know how that works for you

Even auto repair shops often quote their brake job rates per axle. If you want to pay for 3 axles on your car, I'm sure they'd be happy to oblige
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may be worth looking into why motorcycles are permitted on HOV; may be some similar arguments.

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I always just assumed they threw us that bone for safety reasons and to get us out of the main lanes etc
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The axle argument is as good as the the road is paid for. The road will never be paid for. I will build some stats a graph and some other visuals Ross Perot style. Heck I may even post a meet you discuss and get ideas.
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The axle argument is as good as the the road is paid for.
I wouldn't go in there trying to change their terminology and how they classify vehicles, basically telling them they are stupid and wrong.

Obviously lower weight vehicles do less wear and tear on the road. I could see using that argument for lower or no toll fee.
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I think one of the better arguments could be that there is less traffic on the toll road and it is safer for motorcycles.

Having them on the toll road doesn't really increase congestion, they are still making money off the motorcycles and it is safer than riding on 610. So, less serious accidents/fatalities that block the entire road up for 1+ hour.

I tend to agree that going in there and trying to tell the court that cars have three axles(even though they do) is going to be kind of a joke to them. I would go with less weight and the same amount of tires as one axle.

Whats the price difference between 2 axles and three axle vehicles? maybe they could reduce the toll that motorcycles pay by that difference.

Also someone said that they may decide to increase detection technology if they agree to lower the toll. I'm pretty sure they are going to use the best technology available regardless of how much they are charging, so I wouldn't be too concerned about that.
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