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Old 01-13-2014, 08:27 AM   #1
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Brake Bleeding

I just got both front pads replaced, and felt great. a month later, after not riding it, its all mush again. So I need to bleed my brakes. Would this work? or should I buy a motorcycle one?

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Old 01-13-2014, 09:42 AM   #2
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You want might want to get some steel braided lines, sounds like you might have a very small leak somewhere allowing air in. But yeah that should work
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I just got both front pads replaced, and felt great. a month later, after not riding it, its all mush again. So I need to bleed my brakes. Would this work? or should I buy a motorcycle one?

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web...aft_10449340-p

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You don't need a pump to bleed the break system. If you have no fluid in the break lines then you need a pump. That autozone pump will work. Let me know if you need any help.
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You don't need a pump to bleed the break system. If you have no fluid in the break lines then you need a pump. That autozone pump will work. Let me know if you need any help.
Yeah but itll make it a lot easier with the pump.

Didnt see the price if its like $20 get it or get this http://www.cyclegear.com/CycleGear/A.../p/36529_00000
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With this tool...

http://www.cyclegear.com/CycleGear/A.../p/36529_00000

You just attach it to the nipple, put slight pressure on the brake lever, open the valve as you start pressing the brake lever before releasing the lever close the nipple and do it again a couple times until the first part of that hose in this tool is filled with brake fluid. Then you can just open up the nipple and pump the lever as much as you want. But make sure you keep adding more brake fluid as you pumo because you dont want to suck in air on accident. Also start from the side furthest away from the master cylinder
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Yeah but itll make it a lot easier with the pump.

Didnt see the price if its like $20 get it or get this http://www.cyclegear.com/CycleGear/A.../p/36529_00000
It's not difficult to bleed break systems to begin with.
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It's not difficult to bleed break systems to begin with.
Nobody said it was, read what I said again.

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Yeah but itll make it a lot easier with the pump.
Its already easy, but its easier with a pump or a tool so you dont sit there opening closing the valve every single time you pump the lever
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Get a piece of clear tubing that fits snugly on the bleeder and put the other end into a can to catch the fluid.
Pump the brakes and then hold the lever while loosening the bleeder.
Do not release the lever till the bleeder has been re-tightened.

You don't have to loosen it much, less that an 1/8th turn typically.
Tighten the bleeder and then release the lever.
Repeat until you have good brake feel.
Do not let the reservoir run dry during this process.
Nte, this will ony work if the system hasn't had a large amount of air in it such as the lines being replaced etc.

Being familiar with your bike I'm betting you either have:
a) the Nissin master cylinder failure, or
b) the caliper piston seals are hard letting air come in around the pistons.
Both are known issues with the ZX series of bikes.
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I've yet to own a bike where I cannot put on hand on the brake lever/pedal and use the other hand to work the bleed nipple. As long as you can do that, none of the other gadgets makes it any easier or quicker.
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So i bought a piece of vinyl tubing that was slightly smaller than the valve on the bleeder nipple, i still found that fluid would escape around the nipple/tubing how do you guys deal with this? i was unable to put a rag below/around the wrench and keep the tubing ontop of the wrench while keeping enough space free for the wrench to spin freely.

is there any secret moves to doing this without making a mess? the brakefluid will damage anything it comes into contact with, paint, chrome, etc. etc.
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Get a piece of clear tubing that fits snugly on the bleeder and put the other end into a can to catch the fluid.
Pump the brakes and then hold the lever while loosening the bleeder.
Do not release the lever till the bleeder has been re-tightened.

You don't have to loosen it much, less that an 1/8th turn typically.
Tighten the bleeder and then release the lever.
Repeat until you have good brake feel.
Do not let the reservoir run dry during this process.
Nte, this will ony work if the system hasn't had a large amount of air in it such as the lines being replaced etc.

Being familiar with your bike I'm betting you either have:
a) the Nissin master cylinder failure, or
b) the caliper piston seals are hard letting air come in around the pistons.
Both are known issues with the ZX series of bikes.
Patrick,
Is this something that you teach on your basic mechanic class or this is more for the advanced group?
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It's not difficult to bleed break systems to begin with.
No one said it was difficult to break anything. That's usually the easy part of the process.
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Old 01-13-2014, 01:56 PM   #13
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I'm about to replace the brake fluid on mine for the first time, too. Are there any good step by step links that you guys know of? Preferably with pictures.

I hate clutter so I would like to avoid purchasing any special tools that are going to sit there for over a year at a time.
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