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Old 01-14-2014, 11:20 AM   #41
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Don't think for a second you're safe because you are geared up. A helmet might keep you from cracking your skull but at a high rate of speed you have to take inertia into consideration. Your brain is still moving when your head hits that pavement. Not saying we shouldn't wear gear at all I'm always geared up Harley or sportbike but don't get comfortable thinking gear will protect you. Be alert when you ride. Watch your because nobody else will. Be safe and keep the shiny side up guys.
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Your brain is still moving when your head hits that pavement.
Hitting the pavement is not that big a deal, it's just a fall. Hitting objects is what you up.
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I watched a guy die while stopped. He went to put his foot down in gravel, lost his balance fell over without a helmet on, hit his head on the pavement and was dead. His wife that was a passenger was in total denial. They were with a group of Harley riders near Deals Gap and had pulled into the Wendy's to eat. Since he was near the back of the pack and others were parking, he stopped, went to put his foot down and down he went. This all happened right in front of us while we were eating inside. We even chuckled, that was before we found out he was injured.
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Don't think for a second you're safe because you are geared up. A helmet might keep you from cracking your skull but at a high rate of speed you have to take inertia into consideration. Your brain is still moving when your head hits that pavement. Not saying we shouldn't wear gear at all I'm always geared up Harley or sportbike but don't get comfortable thinking gear will protect you. Be alert when you ride. Watch your because nobody else will. Be safe and keep the shiny side up guys.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess your point is don't let gear give you a false sense of security. If wearing gear doesn't protect you then I guess all those racers who wear gear are only doing it for the sponsorship money.
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I watched a guy die while stopped. He went to put his foot down in gravel, lost his balance fell over without a helmet on, hit his head on the pavement and was dead. His wife that was a passenger was in total denial. They were with a group of Harley riders near Deals Gap and had pulled into the Wendy's to eat. Since he was near the back of the pack and others were parking, he stopped, went to put his foot down and down he went. This all happened right in front of us while we were eating inside. We even chuckled, that was before we found out he was injured.
I meant hitting the pavement with a helmet on is not that big a deal
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I meant hitting the pavement with a helmet on is not that big a deal
Jon Broom and his family would think differently...
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Yes, Lori is his mom, David is his dad...

Jon Broom was at Cresson for a race labor day weekend about 3.5 years ago. During the warm up, he lost control and went down, hit his head and now has a TBI. He can't walk, can barely speak, has outburst, has calcium forming in his mucsles making him a statue almost. He has had to have several surgeries to clip off tendons so that his family that now takes care of him can move his body around. He was a good friend/teammate and his family all would come down and stay at my house for races in the area.
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Not wearing a helmet is such a shame, everytime I see a bike and they're not wearing helmets I just cringe! I see a fella I know show up at a bike gathering one day, him and his wife both not wearing helmets. I chewed him out and his response was they didn't have money for helmets. You bought a bike but don't have money for a helmet!

The next time I saw them about a week later, they both had helmets so it doesn't hurt to get on someone at least once!

To be honest I believe they thought it was cool to be seen and people knew who they were, not sure but that's what I'm guessing.

Pretty sad because if there's 1 area of the body you need to protect it's your brain......!

Doesn't take much of a pop to the head to shut it down, permanently!
Good job - you may save one or both of their lives.
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Jon Broom was at Cresson for a race labor day weekend about 3.5 years ago. During the warm up, he lost control and went down, hit his head and now has a TBI. He can't walk, can barely speak, has outburst, has calcium forming in his mucsles making him a statue almost. He has had to have several surgeries to clip off tendons so that his family that now takes care of him can move his body around. He was a good friend/teammate and his family all would come down and stay at my house for races in the area.
He didn't impact anything but the ground?
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He didn't impact anything but the ground?
Speed matters more than anything. Hit the ground at 30, no big deal. Tuck the front and get whipped into the ground at 100, very big deal.
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Noone knows for sure, noone saw the crash. There isn't much else to hit but pavement and grass. Maybe a retaining wall but that's really no different than the pavement.
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Speed matters more than anything. Hit the ground at 30, no big deal. Tuck the front and get whipped into the ground at 100, very big deal.
You still fall at the same rate.
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Noone knows for sure, noone saw the crash. There isn't much else to hit but pavement and grass. Maybe a retaining wall but that's really no different than the pavement.
Hitting the wall is a sudden stop. If the brain is traveling at 30mph and then zero...
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You still fall at the same rate.
Negative, Ghost Rider. Yes, this is a stunting video, but it's not unforeseeable for this to happen in the event of a high-side. His head hit the ground faster than his bike was travelling.

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Negative, Ghost Rider. Yes, this is a stunting video, but it's not unforeseeable for this to happen in the event of a high-side. His head hit the ground faster than his bike was travelling.
Speed of the bike didn't matter. Having no helmet and bouncing his skull off of it did
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I see what you are trying to get at, you are talking about the angle of impact in relation to the direction of travel vs. the rate of gravity as the height one would normally be at on a motorcycle. If you were riding next to a wall and you fell, hit your head on the wall vs the pavement, then it would be nearly the same, but if you hit the wall at 90 degs. then obviously the impact would be significantly worse.
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I see what you are trying to get at, you are talking about the angle of impact in relation to the direction of travel vs. the rate of gravity as the height one would normally be at on a motorcycle. If you were riding next to a wall and you fell, hit your head on the wall vs the pavement, then it would be nearly the same, but if you hit the wall at 90 degs. then obviously the impact would be significantly worse.
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Speed of the bike didn't matter. Having no helmet and bouncing his skull off of it did
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