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Old 12-23-2013, 01:54 PM   #61
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1) That's wikipedia, but a lot of that info may be correct.
2) If you're interested in doing research, look in two books by Alex Caine; The Fat Mexican and Befriend and Betray. Caine was an undercover operative who infiltrated a number of criminal organisations and lived to write about some of his experiences. He's been close to the Bandidos, 's Angels, Yakuza, KKK and a few more and his books are far more in-depth than a quick Wiki.
3) Some of their members are indeed ranking officers of the COC&I but, if you can ever make a meeting, you'll see that that voting process on decisions for Houston (Region 3) is carried out by members of every club that attends. There are no "back-room meetings" where decisions are made and passed down, we all have a say and any dissent is taken seriously and debated until a compromise is met.

These decisions, for the most part, only affect MCs. Other information that gets put out pertains to bills that affect motorcycles and riders everywhere as well as new laws that have already passed.

As far as, "it seems they would be affiliated with the Bandidos" goes. Only inasmuch as the COC goes, for the most part.
The TX COC's State Chairman is a Bandido, and you can bet your bike there is a reason for that. Many of the other chairs are held by clubs that are support groups to the Bandidos.
You may not consider your 99% club to be affiliated, but understand that the only reason you can wear a bottom rocker in this state is because a Bandido allowed it.
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. That group was denied the privilege of wearing their patches and had them confiscated by COC&I officers.





So the forcible took patches from people?
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OP started this thread to explain to the rest of us why a MC club should be appealing. So far, myself and many others are unconvinced and have presented our reasons why. If the pro-MC members can't present a compelling argument then don't tell us to shut up. We didn't bring up the subject.
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OP started this thread to explain to the rest of us why a MC club should be appealing. So far, myself and many others are unconvinced and have presented our reasons why. If the pro-MC members can't present a compelling argument then don't tell us to shut up. We didn't bring up the subject.
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It's hard to pitch something to people who disagree with it completely. so it'll be never ending. Another " to lane split, or not to lane split discussion". In the end, if people want to be known as the buttcakes who had to do what another grown man told them to do because the other grown man will kill you otherwise and steal your things then so be it.
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So the forcible took patches from people?
They think you don't have a right to wear a patch. They may as one time for you to remove it. The second time they ask they will help you understand why it needs to be removed and how to remove it..
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; there was one group that tried to circumvent the COC&I by wearing a patch that hadn't been approved with a territory they hadn't been approved in. At the COC&I meeting, they were called out, in public by a few clubs that had seen them riding around. That group was denied the privilege of wearing their patches and had them confiscated by COC&I officers.



"Interesting" is right. I hadn't realised how many people hated something that doesn't even affect them so much that they take minutes out of their day to say so.



Perfectly explained, thank you!



Have you paid attention to congress lately?
As a veteran who served to protect liberty, you are OK with that?
Who/what gave the COC&I the right/power to tell those guys they could or could not wear a patch?
People don't hate something that does not have an effect on them, they hate something that assumes the right to control others. They hate bullies.

Yes I have paid attention to congress, but the members of congress are at least elected to their office by the people who pay the penalites for the decisions congress makes...
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Well Obed you have touched on something that may be an actual plus argument for a MC club in my opinion. As our Federal govt continues to pander to special interest groups and the section 8 segments of society, continues to overreach its authority in terms of violating the privacy and rights of its citizens, there may be a time approaching where citizens will outright reject the authority of the Feds.

To do so there have to be some groups that will be able to assemble and organize segments of the populace to maintain some order and protection from the oppressors. Being that many MC groups happen to have many members with trade skills, and former military trained backgrounds, and likely access to a cache of arms and armaments it would be a logical place to rally from. Much like a pre-militia so to speak.
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People in general want to "belong." The order of an MC makes it something special in the eyes of those who aspire to it. I understand the appeal.

In my opinion it doesn't make much sense to be in a 99% MC. I don't claim to know the specifics of membership, but I know that it is much easier to join than into an outlaw/1%-er club.

I'm not into either, although I do know some 1%-ers through family, and acquaintances. If I chose to join an MC it would be into a 1%er MC. Go big, or go home. Everything else seems wannabe to me.
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I guess this is why TSBA has had a hard time in the past. People think its a club and it is but not in the traditional sense of the word like the one Army Ape is talking about. The TSBA is just a bunch of like minded sport bike riders that like to actually ride the back roads and have fun.

This MC stuff with all the patches and rules and such is just plain silly to me. But to each his own. The whole SOA and the show that was on Discovery us just plain lame to me.
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Yep, meeting once a month for lunch and then just going out and riding one the weekends is not really a club... an association fits better if you apply it loosely.
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I guess this is why TSBA has had a hard time in the past. People think its a club and it is but not in the traditional sense of the word like the one Army Ape is talking about. The TSBA is just a bunch of like minded sport bike riders that like to actually ride the back roads and have fun.

This MC stuff with all the patches and rules and such is just plain silly to me. But to each his own. The whole SOA and the show that was on Discovery us just plain lame to me.
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Yep, meeting once a month for lunch and then just going out and riding one the weekends is not really a club... an association fits better if you apply it loosely.
That, plus the family BBQs, volleyball, softball, movie nights, hanging out, track days, group rides, kid's birthdays...
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I understand that the patch is copy righted...so is the patch and logos of many organizations...what has that got to do with anything...colors have been around longer than any organizations and no one owns the right to any colors or combinations thereof.

What a club does in the way of regulating its members is for them to deal with...when they start trying to regulate folks who have not willingly chosen to submit to them... it is a violation of the rights of others...it IS strong arm, it is SUBJUGATION, it goes against rights and personal liberties of others...
Veterans put time in the service to be sure that kind of thing does not happen..so I do not understand then turning around and submitting to it.
No actually you're wrong again as usual. You have the freedom to have an AMA club approved by the AMA and fly colors. Heck, you can be stupid and fly Bandit colors...just dont expect any recourse. There is no strong arming. Have you been to a COC meeting? I see clubs get approved all the time, its actually quit civilized.

Now I can see from your point a view its a bunch of grown men playing secret society, but you're old and you assume age brings wisdom.


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Talkto Cory aka short dude that goes to shepard park.
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As a veteran who served to protect liberty, you are OK with that?
Who/what gave the COC&I the right/power to tell those guys they could or could not wear a patch?
People don't hate something that does not have an effect on them, they hate something that assumes the right to control others. They hate bullies.

Yes I have paid attention to congress, but the members of congress are at least elected to their office by the people who pay the penalites for the decisions congress makes...
So someone wants to make an MC, play like an MC but then doesnt want to have nothing to do with MC's? Sounds pretty silly the scenario you just described.
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Talkto Cory aka short dude that goes to shepard park.
I'd bet Jamie could probably tell you as well.
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So someone wants to make an MC, play like an MC but then doesnt want to have nothing to do with MC's? Sounds pretty silly the scenario you just described.
Guess you missed the post earlier where badges were "taken" off by coercion vs voluntary

And just because you have your own MC why should you have to assoc w other MC?
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Guess you missed the post earlier where badges were "taken" off by coercion vs voluntary

And just because you have your own MC why should you have to assoc w other MC?
Yeah i saw that, theres obvious bad apples in that whole mix. You shouldnt...why would anyone want to start an MC thats solo...no one would.
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Yeah i saw that, theres obvious bad apples in that whole mix. You shouldnt...why would anyone want to start an MC thats solo...no one would.
not sure what you are smoking, but your is all over the place..
you do not understand what you are reading here....
if you like other clubs join one... if want you want your own club, with your own friends, as it now stands... unless you want a war, you have to get permission from other clubs to form a new one...who gave them that right...
I have no problem with clubs...do not want to join one.. i just do not see that any group or individual has the right to control what someone else does...be it motorcycles, lovers...politics or religion...
it is the inhibiting of individual rights and liberties that i object to.
I guess this is par for the course...if i ever thought you knew what you were talking about, I would have to recheck my understanding...and that was true under your old screen name too...
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