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Old 12-30-2014, 09:46 AM   #201
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I love your points and objections. Nice to have a good friendly debate with someone of a different view.
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Old 12-30-2014, 09:49 AM   #202
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Your point about "need" to have a license is true, but really has no bearing on the point.

A vest w a patch is a piece of clothing, I understand your sentiment. But the general riding public is not in the military, so why should a self appointed group dictate who and what can and cannot be worn in public?

Who made the COC the fashion police, lol
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Old 12-30-2014, 10:17 AM   #203
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Like I said the fashion police was to keep a standard among clubs so everything isn't chaotic and random.

The reference I gave about the license is no one is putting a gun to your head and making you get one but there are laws if you do.

I'm not telling everyone on mh they have to join a club or they can't ride anymore. That's silly because you have a group that works for everyone a part of it. If you decide to join a club there are rules involved. It's not about what is good for the individual but the whole group. That's why sometimes, and even one I was a part of, a club votes members out.

It all comes down to if you want to be a part of it and it interests you join but be aware there are rules and bylaws. If you don't then don't. It doesn't make you any less of a person either way. It's just personal preference. Mh is a nice group of people like I said, and if it wasn't for the fact that I feel like I fit in better or its more of fit for me to be in a club, I would make it out to more mh functions. It doesn't mean I wont ever go to another one because I might sometime soon but I enjoy a club setting. If anyone wants to see what one is like, I would recommend at least attending a coc and finding a club that is more laid back and just be a hang around with them for a little. You don't have to commit if you don't want to. No one is going to make you do anything you don't want to do as a hang around.
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The issue I have. Is that let just say Joe Smoe decides I'm going to put these cool patches on my vest and go ride my bike. Totally unaware of any kind of MC. Riding my bike minding my own buiness, all of a sudden 10 bikers pull me over and attempt to make me remove my vest.. These arent anyone official to anyone except them selves. They arent police. They have taken it upon themselves to "police" other riders, this to me is horse stuff and borderline illegal depending on how far they take it. Someone please tell me who would want to be a part of that? I know there are probably good groups out there but the fact that this happens just boggles my mind.....end rant sorry..
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Holycost, your argument is kinda like arguing w your parents, cuz I said so.

COC doesn't have the right to enforce these rules, and yet they are somehow enforced by some kind of persuasion.

I've never heard of anybody getting beat down because they didn't get COC approval. But I'm not into groups.

So what would happen if a group resisted COC approval?
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They'd get the stink eye
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I honestly have no idea the repercussions of not going through coc. If you would like to then go ahead. I'm not saying they would beat you down but I'm sure they would give you a warning. If someone were to circumvent the coc my guess is they would not be recognized and not supported by other clubs until they went the proper route. The authority given to them is through the other clubs is what I'm saying. The only power or authority anyone has is when you give it to them. Just cause the president was voted in, doesn't mean if everyone decides he isn't worth a he essentially has no power if everyone removes him from office.

I can see your point and I'm trying to make a point that it's not cause I said so but because every other club has gone through the same process, and thus has given power and authority to the coc. Having the coc is yes a double edged sword. It's purpose is to keep uniformity among all clubs but at the same time prevents those who don't know about it the ability to be a recognized club. Just with every organization or political aspect it has its flaws and double standards I guess. It's just a matter of give and take. True freedom at the price of anarchy or order and rules to follow.
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No idea, I no longer involve myself in any way...
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Holycost, your argument is kinda like arguing w your parents, cuz I said so.

COC doesn't have the right to enforce these rules, and yet they are somehow enforced by some kind of persuasion.

I've never heard of anybody getting beat down because they didn't get COC approval. But I'm not into groups.

So what would happen if a group resisted COC approval?
Look up the Iron Order MC. They've started chapters worldwide without CoC/ 1%er approval. There are fist fights and threats traded back and forth, but the most common reaction is that they just avoid other clubs and stick to themselves. It doesn't seem that bad, except that it defeats the point of involving yourself in a scene that prides itself on being a "community" (territorial disputes aside). Basically, you end up wasting even more time and effort by joining a club that has no support for fundraisers, outreaches or anything else MCs normally do.

For what it's worth, none of that has stopped IOMC. They're still growing and actively recruiting. So, yeah, take from that what you will.
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I honestly have no idea the repercussions of not going through coc. If you would like to then go ahead. I'm not saying they would beat you down but I'm sure they would give you a warning. If someone were to circumvent the coc my guess is they would not be recognized and not supported by other clubs until they went the proper route. The authority given to them is through the other clubs is what I'm saying. The only power or authority anyone has is when you give it to them. Just cause the president was voted in, doesn't mean if everyone decides he isn't worth a he essentially has no power if everyone removes him from office.

I can see your point and I'm trying to make a point that it's not cause I said so but because every other club has gone through the same process, and thus has given power and authority to the coc. Having the coc is yes a double edged sword. It's purpose is to keep uniformity among all clubs but at the same time prevents those who don't know about it the ability to be a recognized club. Just with every organization or political aspect it has its flaws and double standards I guess. It's just a matter of give and take. True freedom at the price of anarchy or order and rules to follow.
So, if me and a few buddies wanted to start our own club and wear some vests with patches on them (hypothetically), what benefits would we receive from this COC thingy?
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So, if me and a few buddies wanted to start our own club and wear some vests with patches on them (hypothetically), what benefits would we receive from this COC thingy?
You'd have to pay an annual fee, attend meetings every 3 months and get a patch that states the year your club was recognised. After that, you'd find out where and when club benefits and rides would be held and you'd be allowed to have a representative vote to determine who gets to wear new colours or start a new chapter.

Oh and you would also avoid other MC members getting mad at you for not having their initial approval.
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You'd have to pay an annual fee, attend meetings every 3 months and get a patch that states the year your club was recognised. After that, you'd find out where and when club benefits and rides would be held and you'd be allowed to have a representative vote to determine who gets to wear new colours or start a new chapter.

Oh and you would also avoid other MC members getting mad at you for not having their initial approval.
I think his question is how would he or his new club benefit by being recognized
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I think his question is how would he or his new club benefit by being recognized
Yeah, I got that. Which is why I answered the way I did... the main "benefit" to being recognised is that you're recognised. There are no discounts or bargains, you're just not going to be rejected from meetings.
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I'm curious as to what happened in a years time to turn such an avid proponent of MC to having "no longer involve[d] in any way... "
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Bingo, because none of what was listed seems "beneficial". I've read through this entire thread and I still get the feeling that MC's are mainly made up of people with ego issues. I keep seeing "brotherhood" as a recurring theme. Why does a grown man need to feel "brotherhood" or a sense of acceptance outside of his friends or family? Do you see where this looks somewhat childish? Brotherhood, loyalty, yada yada yada... That type of thing is reserved for team sports and the military imo. By all means, do what you do as it isn't my life to live. Just my observation and I could be wrong, so please feel free to correct me. As a semi-responsible adult, I just don't see anything about an MC being beneficial. Again, I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around the concept outside of 1%er clubs and for some reason I find the topic interesting.
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