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Old 12-11-2013, 10:21 AM   #61
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Don't get hung up on the hp. It hits late in the rpm and there is a delay. Not to mention its easily turned up or down to adjust for the circumstances. He can just as easily set the hp to say 200. It can be stretched and slammed and set on kill for straight line action or made to handle as stock. Not much work needed to go either way in most cases.
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I have been exposed to them and what not. I get what you are saying. But the above bike.... 486 rwhp on a spirited ride on DOT street compound in the twisties? I maintain my stance on that. Alan's bike on the other hand.... that bike is obviously set up differently. I understand your point that it CAN be done. But its definitely not ideal.
That kind of the whole idea behind this. A purpose built bike (i.e. a stretched, lowered turbo bike) will be compromising with its set-up. The long and low turbo bike isnt going to be able to huck it over in turns for a road course, just like a nimble R6 with track oriented goodies isnt going to be able to leg it out in the qtr or mile with the long and low bikes. The whole premise here is to find a bike with a set-up that covers the spectrum. So, dont restrict an unlimited class, because inevitably its all about compromise of set-up. Alan's Busa for example, like Blue was saying, has a great set-up. Screaming fast in a straight line, and could be faster, BUT rather than eek those few more MPH out of it he left it high enough and relatively close enough to stock length (only 3" over) to be able to turn and carve. Thats the whole point of this.
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Don't get hung up on the hp. It hits late in the rpm and there is a delay. Not to mention its easily turned up or down to adjust for the circumstances. He can just as easily set the hp to say 200. It can be stretched and slammed and set on kill for straight line action or made to handle as stock. Not much work needed to go either way in most cases.
..... which brings me to my next point. If this is a run what ya brung event, and you can't take off or add parts.... he is at a disadvantage.... again. lol.


just playing devils advocate here.
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..... which brings me to my next point. If this is a run what ya brung event, and you can't take off or add parts.... he is at a disadvantage.... again. lol.


just playing devils advocate here.
I get that and so does he. There is always a middle ground. No bike is gonna be the best at everything. Middle ground isnt hard to get to with so many options and available power.
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That kind of the whole idea behind this. A purpose built bike (i.e. a stretched, lowered turbo bike) will be compromising with its set-up. The long and low turbo bike isnt going to be able to huck it over in turns for a road course, just like a nimble R6 with track oriented goodies isnt going to be able to leg it out in the qtr or mile with the long and low bikes. The whole premise here is to find a bike with a set-up that covers the spectrum. So, dont restrict an unlimited class, because inevitably its all about compromise of set-up. Alan's Busa for example, like Blue was saying, has a great set-up. Screaming fast in a straight line, and could be faster, BUT rather than eek those few more MPH out of it he left it high enough and relatively close enough to stock length (only 3" over) to be able to turn and carve. Thats the whole point of this.


This is the intent of the event but if people aren't willing then we'd have to make some changes.

It may just come down to a fun for all event where we can setup some recorders on bikes and see what everyone's got.

Basics to start might be:
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And we'll go from that adding an auto-x, street ride, roadcourse, whatever people would want to see next. That way we could do it all at RPR to get a baseline in a safe environment.

Again, still a feeler to see how many would come out? I've still got to see what insurance, etc is going to cost unless RPR will cover it in a private rental, etc..

How much would people be willing to pay to rent RPR and participate?

Or is this a horrible idea, just scrap it now?

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Seems like its around 1500.00 at RPR for a week day. Not sure on a weekend
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..... which brings me to my next point. If this is a run what ya brung event, and you can't take off or add parts.... he is at a disadvantage.... again. lol.


just playing devils advocate here.
So would you then restrict any changes to adjustable parts that don't require swapping? For example, raising the forks in the trees to lower the front for drag and lower them for road course, switch PCM(ECU) maps, adjust suspension dampening? None of those require removing anything, but could drastically change the performance of the bike. Certainly nothing that couldn't realistically be done in about 15 min. in one's garage.
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You listed pretty much the changes I was talking about. WE know its that easy
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Since RPR is an NHRA track wouldnt racers be required to have thier license (if fast enough)
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While it's something to keep in mind, I think you'd actually have to hold an event and just see how things actually shake out in terms of participation. Maybe divide up your classes arbitrarily, like in auto-x, where they're based both on displacement and modifications. Everyone competes together, small (and competitive with other) classes could possibly be combined for final standings, but it seems silly to try and divide into strict competition classes before-hand.
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Since RPR is an NHRA track wouldnt racers be required to have thier license (if fast enough)
Im not sure that they care on a rental day. I cant see RPR going for any of this anyway. You have to be using the parking lots AND the track. On top of that there is the money required.
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So would you then restrict any changes to adjustable parts that don't require swapping? For example, raising the forks in the trees to lower the front for drag and lower them for road course, switch PCM(ECU) maps, adjust suspension dampening? None of those require removing anything, but could drastically change the performance of the bike. Certainly nothing that couldn't realistically be done in about 15 min. in one's garage.
This is where the streetbike part of it was intended to keep things the same. Yes, you could do that but the intent is to keep it in the same configuartion for the entire day. Run the drag the same as the roadcourse, etc.. Other than mapping changes, tire pressure, etc..basic basic stuff....leave the rest alone.

Everyone lines up at the line, make your three or four drag passes and then everyone head over to the parking lot and make your three or four runs kind of deal.

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Since RPR is an NHRA track wouldnt racers be required to have thier license (if fast enough)
Private rentals I have attended in the past didn't require an NHRA license. Maybe that has changed lately?

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While it's something to keep in mind, I think you'd actually have to hold an event and just see how things actually shake out in terms of participation. Maybe divide up your classes arbitrarily, like in auto-x, where they're based both on displacement and modifications. Everyone competes together, small (and competitive with other) classes could possibly be combined for final standings, but it seems silly to try and divide into strict competition classes before-hand.
Correct, we'd just have to see how it goes and who would be interested. If only 10 or 20 bikes come out then it may not be worth the cost...

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Im not sure that they care on a rental day. I cant see RPR going for any of this anyway. You have to be using the parking lots AND the track. On top of that there is the money required.
They host auto-x and track events all the time, we'll just have to see...
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honestly, cost would likely be a lot more than I'd be comfortable spending, but I'd be willing to bring my rat-tourer out for something like this, just for fun.

Anyone want to help turbo a 1300cc v4?
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Been 170 on mine on a Friday. Didn't bat an eye.
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If you have a number on your bike they dont bat an eye ever. I used to get asked for mine all the time till I put my number on the bike. David is currently getting by because my bike still has my number on it
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Actually,if they are supposed to be streetbikes,I would like to see the drag race portion on an unprepped surface.
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Actually,if they are supposed to be streetbikes,I would like to see the drag race portion on an unprepped surface.
That just means they won't go as fast. My bikes spent most of it's boosted life doing digs on the street. Ain't no thing.
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Have you been to RPR? lol
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honestly, cost would likely be a lot more than I'd be comfortable spending, but I'd be willing to bring my rat-tourer out for something like this, just for fun.

Anyone want to help turbo a 1300cc v4?
What does that mean? $20, $50, $100?

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Actually,if they are supposed to be streetbikes,I would like to see the drag race portion on an unprepped surface.
This was my initial plan but the problem is finding an unprepped surface on a closed course to use/rent. Unless, we could get another venue to use or talk with one of the Mile tracks to run it in conjunction with 1-Mile runs....otherwise, we've got to find another place (legal and safe are top priorities). It would be nice if we could just go out to the "spot" and do this but legally it's not worth it.
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