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Old 12-10-2013, 11:06 AM   #41
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600/750 is the most popular bike size. Hopefully you'd get good participation from that segment.
If not, Do like they do in other forms of motorsports;
If not enough registrants in a class show up, combine it with the next highest class.
I agree but I can see it now, 10-600's show up and one 750 and all the 600's are he's running with them...or the 750 guy is because he gets bumped into the 1000 class with 20 other guys...

Maybe it would be better to just do 600, 1000, and Unlimited?

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600/750/1000/1300/Unlimited classes sound great to me.


I'm a fan of stock wheelbase in all but the unlimited classes. But IMO, the unlimited class aren't really bonifide street bikes. Again, just IMO.




I am on a 600. I will race.
This is where the problem is, the intent is to make this a true STREET-BIKE competition! If they can't do everything that an OEM bike does then it's not going to survive the event let alone win. If this happens, these bikes would have to survive the day of racing/riding, not just getting on a trailer from event to event.
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My opinion is a street bike is street legal and can be ridden on the street with no issues with over heating
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My opinion is a street bike is street legal and can be ridden on the street with no issues with over heating
I agree with BW on this. How many bikes per category you would have? 10 seems like an iffy number per cat, because at the end of the day, you would be watching about 30 bikes (10 x category), it would be a long run for most of the participants.

Some test that I'd think of, would be:

Acceleration (0-60 or 0-100)
Brakes (can use the same 0-60 test to do this one)
1/4 pass
Driveability (How good it rides on the street, aimed mostly to the big dogs)
You could do the mpg test, but then again would be aimed to big hp bikes.
And why not? Vulgar Display of Horsepower, no explanation needed.

I did a couple of similar tests with cars a few years ago, it's very entretaining, specially for gear heads.
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I agree with BW on this. How many bikes per category you would have? 10 seems like an iffy number per cat, because at the end of the day, you would be watching about 30 bikes (10 x category), it would be a long run for most of the participants.

Some test that I'd think of, would be:

Acceleration (0-60 or 0-100)
Brakes (can use the same 0-60 test to do this one)
1/4 pass
Driveability (How good it rides on the street, aimed mostly to the big dogs)
You could do the mpg test, but then again would be aimed to big hp bikes.
And why not? Vulgar Display of Horsepower, no explanation needed.

I did a couple of similar tests with cars a few years ago, it's very entretaining, specially for gear heads.
0-60 would be too hard to accurately measure with a stop watch. It just happens too fast. Most will be less than 3 seconds. 6-120 is more interesting. They use computers to measure those times though.
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Id be interested, i would get drug by those turbo bikes but it would be fun
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My opinion is a street bike is street legal and can be ridden on the street with no issues with over heating
Yes,...but I would add currently registered, headlight, tail light, blinkers, etc..

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I agree with BW on this. How many bikes per category you would have? 10 seems like an iffy number per cat, because at the end of the day, you would be watching about 30 bikes (10 x category), it would be a long run for most of the participants.

Some test that I'd think of, would be:

Acceleration (0-60 or 0-100)
Brakes (can use the same 0-60 test to do this one)
1/4 pass
Driveability (How good it rides on the street, aimed mostly to the big dogs)
You could do the mpg test, but then again would be aimed to big hp bikes.
And why not? Vulgar Display of Horsepower, no explanation needed.

I did a couple of similar tests with cars a few years ago, it's very entretaining, specially for gear heads.
It really depends how much interest is shown. If I've got to rent RPR for the entire day, then the cost would come down with more people 10, 20, 30 per class. If there are only 10-600's and 50-1000's then it would adjust accordingly. Now, we could make it interesting and do it on an unprepared surface and not use a track but that just depends what people are comfortable with...

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0-60 would be too hard to accurately measure with a stop watch. It just happens too fast. Most will be less than 3 seconds. 6-120 is more interesting. They use computers to measure those times though.
With the new Racelogic VBOX recorders, you can calculate all that stuff just like the cars use. I would purchase the equipment to record all of the data categories on an SD card which could be reviewed for all to see and eliminate any human errors...

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Id be interested, i would get drug by those turbo bikes but it would be fun
Depending how your bike is setup, it may not win the high power categories but you always have a chance in the rider department for other areas.
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Currently registered? C'mon man. Lol. Mine was only current half the time.
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Currently registered? C'mon man. Lol. Mine was only current half the time.
Which brings up a point. You may alienate plenty of guys who ride track (straight or curves)... but have something against street. Therefor they don't ride street.

A few ways to measure streetability....
1. Have them ride from event to event (this will require logistics on everyone's part... multiple drivers, keeping everyone in sight).
2. Legal... stickers/lights/etc. If it's legal on paper, it's good to go. That sticker belong to that bike?
3. Slow parade laps at a course, stop and go "parade" through the pits, etc. Basically simulate street, but don't put anyone at "risk" on street, or push away those that simply won't bother to register a perfectly streetable bike just to show you the sticker.
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Well that leaves out Alan's Busa!
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Well that leaves out Alan's Busa!
It's fine with both fans on
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Currently registered? C'mon man. Lol. Mine was only current half the time.
When it comes down to it, I could care less...however, it would be a category that if someone wanted to protest the winner not being legal for the street he could and I wouldn't argue it. It's either legal or not...

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Which brings up a point. You may alienate plenty of guys who ride track (straight or curves)... but have something against street. Therefor they don't ride street.

A few ways to measure streetability....
1. Have them ride from event to event (this will require logistics on everyone's part... multiple drivers, keeping everyone in sight).
2. Legal... stickers/lights/etc. If it's legal on paper, it's good to go. That sticker belong to that bike?
3. Slow parade laps at a course, stop and go "parade" through the pits, etc. Basically simulate street, but don't put anyone at "risk" on street, or push away those that simply won't bother to register a perfectly streetable bike just to show you the sticker.
This keeps coming up so it may come down to doing everything on site and at the track. If it comes down to insurance, that may be required.

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Well that leaves out Alan's Busa!
Huh? Didn't realize he had issues with it.







This may turn into more trouble/$$ than it's worth. Might just be better to organize something at RPR and have a couple extra categories for the heck of it. If it gets popluar, then start adding things...who knows, still taking opinions/ideas...
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If its going to happen at RPR I know a few people that will probably be interested.
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I know a few cars that will pitch in on a rental. Maybe mine will be done then
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But IMO, the unlimited class aren't really bonifide street bikes.
Really?

428whp on 93 pump gas, can sit in traffic on a hot day and not over heat, registered and insured, dot tires, ride all day, and still gets about 40mpg. What's not bonified about that?

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^Like I said... road course, tight AutoX type course, and the MSF "box".

Not trying to penalize the big bikes.... I think it'd be fun to watch.
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Lowered bike may suffer in turning. Mine would not go lock to lock without hitting brake lever on plastic parts of dash. Hard left meant hard stop. lol. Most are not that way but still suffer some
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Really?

428whp on 93 pump gas, can sit in traffic on a hot day and not over heat, registered and insured, dot tires, ride all day, and still gets about 40mpg. What's not bonified about that?
Semantics. You knew where I was going with that. You would most likely not take that on a spirited group ride down 3090 or what have you on DOT tires. If you would, then hats off to you.
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Semantics. You knew where I was going with that. You would most likely not take that on a spirited group ride down 3090 or what have you on DOT tires. If you would, then hats off to you.
Why not? You have not been around enough turbo bikes. Takes Alans for example. Its 3" over stock length and close to stock height if not stock height. It's been 224.9 in the Mile and had more in it. He can run it at the front of the pack on spirited group rides. Or just cruise it to Austin for the day. Set up is everything and adjustments are not hard to make. I'm not speaking for all of them, but dont be so quick to stereotype.
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Why not? You have not been around enough turbo bikes. Takes Alans for example. Its 3" over stock length and close to stock height if not stock height. It's been 224.9 in the Mile and had more in it. He can run it at the front of the pack on spirited group rides. Or just cruise it to Austin for the day. Set up is everything and adjustments are not hard to make. I'm not speaking for all of them, but dont be so quick to stereotype.
I have been exposed to them and what not. I get what you are saying. But the above bike.... 486 rwhp on a spirited ride on DOT street compound in the twisties? I maintain my stance on that. Alan's bike on the other hand.... that bike is obviously set up differently. I understand your point that it CAN be done. But its definitely not ideal.
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