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Keep the groups (levels) the way they are 33 84.62%
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Old 12-03-2013, 05:32 PM   #21
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What does that accomplish? With several trackday providers, are you going to make a dude with 10 LSTD days ride Ride Smart L1?
yup at least for a session
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Old 12-03-2013, 05:33 PM   #22
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yup at least for a session
2. Cuz the first is a round robin.
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2. Cuz the first is a round robin.
no they can be followed for a session during the round robbin. you can easily see if someone is capable of level 2 withing one lap
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Having 3 levels works well I think.

I'd leave it as is.
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no they can be followed for a session during the round robbin. you can easily see if someone is capable of level 2 withing one lap

So now you want people going L2 pace around a congo-line of riders doing 45 mph?
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I'd say lets natural selection decide how many groups.

Of course I kid, but like it has been said here before, some people think they don't belong in a slower group and they jump right in with the fast guys, or beginners that think they have big penises and get in Intermediate.

And keep in mind that track orgs don't want to lecture guys and potentially alienate them.

To me it takes a healthy dose of common sense to know when to go up. I did like 2 TD's in novice before knowing I was ready for Intermediate.
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I say we leave level one and two how they are and make it a requirement to take an advanced level rider class to get into level 3.


There is always going to be a huge learning curve in the first two levels.
Wtf lol level 1 and level 2 by far have the largest grids and most crashing. Level 3 does a good job of taking care of themselves generally.
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So now you want people going L2 pace around a congo-line of riders doing 45 mph?
It's pretty easy. You can pass that whole group on the straights if you think you are capable for level 2 doing 10 td with another school
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It's pretty easy. You can pass that whole group on the straights if you think you are capable for level 2 doing 10 td with another school
That'd only work at TWS (Texas World Speedway).
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That'd only work at TWS (Texas World Speedway).
And msrh

You have 3 long straights where you can easily get around.
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Like Tojo says, leave things as they are.

The owners of the TD orgs probably have a good handle on what works.
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You have 3 long straights where you can easily get around.
Lol. You need to go watch L1 do their round robin again at msrh. A 5 rider + instructor group can easily take up all of the start/finish straight. On the longer back straight your left with a guy who's just now trying to get to L2 trying to stay deep in the throttle in the outside of the kink or late braking the aforementioned 5 bikes going into diamond's edge. No bueno.
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I think there are more appropriate people to handle this than then random people on the motohouston board...
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Lol. You need to go watch L1 do their round robin again at msrh. A 5 rider + instructor group can easily take up all of the start/finish straight. On the longer back straight your left with a guy who's just now trying to get to L2 trying to stay deep in the throttle in the outside of the kink or late braking the aforementioned 5 bikes going into diamond's edge. No bueno.
I have seen it plenty. They are doing 30-45 on the straights.
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I have only done one track day .. so my experience is min .. but I can now have a small opinion. LV1 needs to be the smallest group in my opinion - packing 40 riders with mixed LV1 experience is too many IMO. I had a bad day but it was just one of those days and I was not able to fit another day in this year before the season was over due to work/finances etc.

I wish Whoop or someone would do a noob track school like they do with the Intermediate/Advance. I would be willing to fork out the 250-300 for a solid day of going over the actual fundamentals of tracking riding. The ORG I attended did a good job of going over stuff but it just felt rushed.

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I have only done one track day .. so my experience is min .. but I can now have a small opinion. LV1 needs to be the smallest group in my opinion - packing 40 riders with mixed LV1 experience is too many IMO. I had a bad day but it was just one of those days and I was not able to fit another day in this year before the season was over due to work/finances etc.

I wish Whoop or someone would do a noob track school like they do with the Intermediate/Advance. I would be willing to fork out the 250-300 for a solid day of going over the actual fundamentals of tracking riding. The ORG I attended did a good job of going over stuff but it just felt rushed.

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yeah level 1 does have a lot of riders i can agree with that and maybe they do need to watch their grids and limit them a bit more. but i dont think you need to fork out out 250-300 for one day. i think you just need seat time on the track and being more comfortable out on the track, and i know you had a couple times where you got spooked on the track on your first/only day but i think it also has to do with being more comfortable on the track. but again as i said before, if you do another track day let me know. Im sure I could come out there and ride with you a few sessions if that'll help you become more comfortable. I have more fun riding with a friend
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yeah level 1 does have a lot of riders i can agree with that and maybe they do need to watch their grids and limit them a bit more. but i dont think you need to fork out out 250-300 for one day. i think you just need seat time on the track and being more comfortable out on the track, and i know you had a couple times where you got spooked on the track on your first/only day but i think it also has to do with being more comfortable on the track. but again as i said before, if you do another track day let me know. Im sure I could come out there and ride with you a few sessions if that'll help you become more comfortable. I had more fun riding with a friend
I think the 30 min sessions and a smaller ratio of people on the track when just trying to get the feel of the track and actually using BP / Brakes without 40 people doing the same is worth the extra $$ to me. I think there would be others willing pay to do that if the stories of some TD have scared them off.

Not saying that everyone needs that comfort level .. I am not going to wait around for someone to do that .. but It would be something I would consider if available. When I am learning ... I like to have fun .. but I am serious about working on the things necessary to be good and gain experience. When not everyone in the grid has the same agenda makes those who are trying to get better via mastering fundamentals to gain speed miss out due to the people who just wanna go fast even if that means laying down the bike cause they were too foolish to learn.
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Lol. You need to go watch L1 do their round robin again at msrh. A 5 rider + instructor group can easily take up all of the start/finish straight. On the longer back straight your left with a guy who's just now trying to get to L2 trying to stay deep in the throttle in the outside of the kink or late braking the aforementioned 5 bikes going into diamond's edge. No bueno.
Not to mention the five riders taking up the width of the track because they can't seem to remember where the line is. If you try to pass them on the right you're way out of position for the turn. If you pass on the left you have to hope you get by them before they have their, "Oh, ...I'm off the line" moment and veer left. If you hot pit in Lvl. 1 and time it right you can usually get one lap of open track before you have to play frogger again.
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That'd only work at TWS (Texas World Speedway).
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And msrh

You have 3 long straights where you can easily get around.
No again. Level one is way to unpredictable. Lots of riders off line cracking the throttle in the straights and the no passing in turns rule make it tough if not impossible.

Hot pit with an instructor, wait for open track and go. An instructor will know in less than half a lap if you're ready to bump up.
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