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Keep the groups (levels) the way they are 33 84.62%
Give up 5 minutes and add a 4th group 6 15.38%
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:46 PM   #1
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OPINION on trackday groups... VOTE!

I've been around trackdays and racing since 2006. Every year there will always be a discussion about lap times, traffic, and wrong people in the wrong groups. Why does this happen? In my opinion I think there is way too many variety of riders to be split amongst 3 groups. When you put people together running 20 seconds per lap difference in the same group.... some people ride over their head to try and keep pace or people start riding extremely aggressive to try and scare off the slower riders. It's dangerous and it's not fun waiting around for red flags to go green.

I think a good option is to spread it into 4 groups 15 minutes a piece. That way people aren't getting bumped up so quickly into level 2 to make more room for level 1 riders.... then when level 2 gets too full, some people bump up to level 3 and then it just all becomes a mess.

Would you give up 5 minutes in your session to make another group (which could actually mean more track time if it would reduce the amount of red flags)?
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:07 PM   #2
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4 groups would be great for those trackdays when the grids fill up. The track orgs should have a clause to state on high attendance days, they're going to split it up to 4 groups. More freedom on the track and less chance of asspacking. That's the only benefit I see with 4 groups. On low attendance days, the cornerworkers, track marshall, instructors, and other riders can police after their own.

You can't control the egos of riders you don't know and happens on the track that are out of everyone else's control.
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You could make 42 groups, and there would still be asshats riding over there heads and causing red flags.
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:24 PM   #4
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transitioning between groups takes time, as well (for example, some folks blow past the checkers and run an extra lap), so in reality to maintain a 1 hour rotation with 4 groups, you'd probably end up with somewhat shorter sessions than the implied 15 minutes.

I do agree about the wide spreads of skill sets present in the various groups, but as long as folks are allowed to self-select, that will happen.
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The problems with trackdays as I see them, I have addressed on here on several occasions, but the simple truth is that in order to address those issues, it would require MORE instructors/control riders... and that would mean more expense to the group and higher prices to the riders...some of us would be willing to pay that increased price, but it seems that most folks are looking for the cheapest ride they can get, and that results in the type of track day we get from all the groups out there...all of them have the same problems...I have my favorite trackday group as does most everyone else.. in truth, most of us have our favorites based on the personalities of the folks who work at any given group and not because anyone group out performs the other groups.
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lol 4 groups, that'll be a lot of fun for the track marshall... haha. and if it did split up into 4 groups, i'd expect a price decrease in trackdays. right now you get about 2 hours and 40 mins, you'd be losing about 25% of that and be getting almost 2 hours of riding if no one goes down or anything. or just do three groups but lessen the track grid sizing
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I do agree about the wide spreads of skill sets present in the various groups, but as long as folks are allowed to self-select, that will happen.
Very well said. In my opinion, I think it would be most beneficial for riders to qualify to advance into a certain group and remain there until they qualify to the next. In theory this would make the most sense for safety, enjoyment, and progression, but the effort to execute and enforce this could be a whole different story.
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The problems with trackdays as I see them, I have addressed on here on several occasions, but the simple truth is that in order to address those issues, it would require MORE instructors/control riders... and that would mean more expense to the group and higher prices to the riders...some of us would be willing to pay that increased price, but it seems that most folks are looking for the cheapest ride they can get, and that results in the type of track day we get from all the groups out there...all of them have the same problems...I have my favorite trackday group as does most everyone else.. in truth, most of us have our favorites based on the personalities of the folks who work at any given group and not because anyone group out performs the other groups.
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transitioning between groups takes time, as well (for example, some folks blow past the checkers and run an extra lap), so in reality to maintain a 1 hour rotation with 4 groups, you'd probably end up with somewhat shorter sessions than the implied 15 minutes.

I do agree about the wide spreads of skill sets present in the various groups, but as long as folks are allowed to self-select, that will happen.
A lot of truth in this. Also, while some L2/L3 people dont ride a full session, almost all the L1 people do. And some of them are running 3 minute lap times. That means they might only get 4 laps a session, maybe less.
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lol 4 groups, that'll be a lot of fun for the track marshall... haha. and if it did split up into 4 groups, i'd expect a price decrease in trackdays. right now you get about 2 hours and 40 mins, you'd be losing about 25% of that and be getting almost 2 hours of riding if no one goes down or anything. or just do three groups but lessen the track grid sizing
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They should make a better system on who levels up. Maybe keep records of what level people were on and they cannot bump themselves up the next time they go.
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20 min a session is too much for me anyhow....then again, I'm out of shape lol
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They should make a better system on who levels up. Maybe keep records of what level people were on and they cannot bump themselves up the next time they go.

Says the guy who's primary bike is a yellow and blue gixxer, but has an avatar on a white kawi.
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thats why you keep records of names not bikes. a few people have more than one bike. That picture was on the halffast a team bike
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thats why you keep records of names not bikes. a few people have more than one bike. That picture was on the halffast a team bike
What good does names do? You can't see po-po 5.0 out there, you see a black and yellow R6.
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I say we leave level one and two how they are and make it a requirement to take an advanced level rider class to get into level 3.


There is always going to be a huge learning curve in the first two levels.
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I say we leave level one and two how they are and make it a requirement to take an advanced level rider class to get into level 3.


There is always going to be a huge learning curve in the first two levels.
You're going to have race-paced brokedicks in L2 cuz they don't want to pay for the course. That's not safe.
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What does that accomplish? With several trackday providers, are you going to make a dude with 10 LSTD days ride Ride Smart L1?
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