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Old 11-26-2013, 11:12 AM   #81
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Hey TMAX, would you happen to have a CDL/be a truck driver? I was asking around about this, and someone mentioned that this kind of thing had been in play for a long time for professional drivers.
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Old 11-26-2013, 01:22 PM   #82
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Waaaay back when Walton & Kohnson first came on the air in Houston, they used to espouse a plan whereby every gallon of gas (and diesel) sold in Texas had a $1 fee tacked on to it which went into a statewide insurance fund to cover accidents. That way, if you pay for gas, you automatically have insurance. No more uninsured drivers, no more proof of insurance, no more confusion. Want to pay less for insurance? Drive less or buy a more fuel efficient vehicle. Simple and elegant, but there is no profit in it for insurance companies so it would never work.
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Old 11-26-2013, 03:07 PM   #83
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how would you insure CNG, Propane, and electric vehicles then? not saying it's a horrible idea, but there are quite a few holes in it.
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Old 11-27-2013, 05:55 AM   #84
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how would you insure CNG, Propane, and electric vehicles then? not saying it's a horrible idea, but there are quite a few holes in it.
Again,this was many many years ago before the advent of alternative fuels/power. Well, propane and CNG were being used, but those could be "taxed" just like gasoline. As for fully electric vehicles, you don't see a lot of hood rats and illegals driving Nissan Leafs.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:09 AM   #85
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how would you insure CNG, Propane, and electric vehicles then? not saying it's a horrible idea, but there are quite a few holes in it.
CNG and Propane are usually measured in Standard Cubic Feet or Pounds depending on application. Both measurements could easily be converted to gallons mathematically for taxation purposes.

For electric vehicles, again it wouldn't be that hard to find a gallon "equivalent" through the number of Watts used.
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For electric vehicles, again it wouldn't be that hard to find a gallon "equivalent" through the number of Watts used.
Except that would mean having to meter every publicly accessible charging station for electric vehicles (which they should do anyway) including if you charge the car at home. Not saying it isn't feasible, just that it would be too easy for some to bypass the car meter at home and charge through his dryer receptacle instead and get free insurance.
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Except that would mean having to meter every publicly accessible charging station for electric vehicles (which they should do anyway) including if you charge the car at home. Not saying it isn't feasible, just that it would be too easy for some to bypass the car meter at home and charge through his dryer receptacle instead and get free insurance.
Not denying that would probably be a common work around, but playing "devil's advocate" here I'd like to suggest that the current number of people with electric cars and the energy to implement that workaround is way less than the current number of uninsured drivers yielding a net positive outcome. Yes?
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my question was more from the "devil's advocate" standpoint. you can get a fueling station installed in your home for natural gas, but how could they separate that from your heating gas? same with electricity (yeah, I know, meter that outlet separately), but what if you use a public recharging station, or want to plug in at work?

I only bring this up because there has been discussion already about the impact of high-efficiency and electric vehicles on revenue from the road tax assessed on gasoline and how to make up that revenue (surcharges for hybrids on registration, etc.). I don't know that it's gone anywhere yet, but it is something to consider.
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my question was more from the "devil's advocate" standpoint. you can get a fueling station installed in your home for natural gas, but how could they separate that from your heating gas? same with electricity (yeah, I know, meter that outlet separately), but what if you use a public recharging station, or want to plug in at work?

I only bring this up because there has been discussion already about the impact of high-efficiency and electric vehicles on revenue from the road tax assessed on gasoline and how to make up that revenue (surcharges for hybrids on registration, etc.). I don't know that it's gone anywhere yet, but it is something to consider.
Unless I'm missing something, having multiple meters seems like a straight forward and simple solution. Just tee the main line (electric or gas) and meter house utilities separately from vehicle utilities. Then charge taxes as needed based on those meters. Am I missing something?

Regarding your public and/or work stations, someone is still paying the bill on that station and thus able to pay the proposed tax. If they don't want to pay the tax, then they'll just pass that cost along to the user and set up a way to pay per use.

Not saying it's the grand solution, but it's workable.
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I got popped with that years ago when I had insurance but didnt have the card with me, then left the country the next day. Payed the fine, then wrote a letter to the judge like I was told to. Then got a letter daying since I payed the ticket I couldnt contest it. Came back a year later to find out about the surcharge and the late fee and a suspended license. Cost me almost 3K.

I just got a ticket yesterday for parking 15 feet from a fire hydrant, where every car was 15 feet from the hydrant. My bike was only ticket out there. Irony is fire department was down the street at my place dealing with the fire alarm going off so I left to go eat. Bastards.
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I ended up paying surcharges for some straight up bullshit, that i had no clue about, even calling an emailing every single human being possible. I was paying DPS, I didn't know why, all I got in the form of answers was pay or DL gets suspended.

Today, I received a check for the amount of money I had been paying thus far. Feels good man.
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Old 12-15-2013, 03:47 PM   #93
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Got popped for no insurance card thanksgiving day -.- had it under my back seat with the tool kit but guess I miss-placed/lost it last time I had that thing off.

Cop told me to take proof of insurance to my court date and it would be dismissed.

Guess I'll find out about this surcharge BS then, wonder if the illegal that totaled my sisters car a year back is paying this surcharge, cops let that lady go without any charges that day because she had her kids. For some reason I doubt it..

Guess its better than a ticket for going 90 on 45 though -.-
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I keep a card on each vehicle; on the bikes under the seat in a ziploc bag.
And a copy with all 4 bikes on it in my wallet.
Stupid law but really easy to avoid a surcharge if you just "take care of business"
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I do believe that the law requires you to have proof of insurance on you... not just have insurance...if you had been in compliance with the law you would not have been given the ticket and had to go to court to begin with, hence the surcharge.
You might be a great guy and all but that was a pretty douchey thing to say.

If he was not riding around with insurance coverage on his bike that is a different story, but having to fork over nearly a grand because he did not have his insurance paper on him is absurd. We're all humans and tend to error and make mistakes, but charging someone that much money over three years is ridiculous, especially for lower income folks.

They hit me up with this a few years ago, I chose to pay a few other bills than my insurance and got pulled over. I accept I was in the wrong for doing so, esp since what I spent the money was more wants instead of needs. Well, I ended up not paying the surcharges on that one and some other surcharge due to being dumb and not having my priorities straight, then when I started to get things straight, I lost my job. Well, luck smiled on me when I heard about the DPS doing an ammenisty program, and I some how had several hundred to over a grand of fees waived.

Every since then, I have my insurance current and up to date! I didn't know you'd still have to pay the surcharge if you didn't have the paper on you. I'm gonna keep it under my seat on my SV always now.

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