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Old 11-18-2013, 02:13 PM   #1
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ZX7 starting issues/woes...

First time out on a group "back road run" yesterday and had some trouble firing up the bike after meeting at the Bucee's. Filled with gas and then it would not start (starter turned over and over, but nothing). Did not want to flood it right before a group ride so I did not really mess with the choke since the bike was hot. The bike push started just fine the rest of the day.

Fast Forward 3 hours after getting home, I go to fire the bike (I've never had an issue firing the bike when cold, even after sitting for 2 weeks at a time without a start) and get nothing. Second time I hit the starter button, I started to hear multiple clicking from under the seat and starter would not engage (much like when a battery dies).

Battery is less than 6 months old. So, at first thought I'm thinking starter relay or starter solenoid....any thoughts? TIA!

FWIW, I rode 200 miles yesterday. One wouldn't think the bike would remain running for 200 miles if my charging system was failing. Maybe a ground?

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Old 11-18-2013, 02:19 PM   #2
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:34 PM   #3
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Check for corrosion at the starter relay and fuse junction box.
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Check for corrosion at the starter relay and fuse junction box.
Thanks. Just pull the relay, clean contacts and re-insert? Sounds like an easy place to start.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:38 PM   #5
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Pretty much.
Use a small brass brush and some CRC electronic cleaner.
Put a little dielectric grease on when going back together.
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:37 PM   #6
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Patrick....I did the above and symptoms are the same. I found no signs of "corrossion" at the plug nor the 2 cables. I think it is likely a starter relay on it's way out and at $20 it's something I don't mind throwing cash at....I do not think this will fix my hot start issue though. I'm thinking the bike is running rich and causing it to act "flooded" for 2 reasons.....it smells like it is rich when idling, and I'm only getting 33-35 mpg and my 94 zx7 use to see upwards of 48-52 mpg.

I guess it may be time to have someone clean/inspect and sync carbs. Mind giving me a general quote for this (PM is ok)? I know it will vary if new jets are required, etc.

FYI, I put 240 miles on her this weekend running to the inlaws and back....started fine cold and left her running the whole way there. I think we can rule out charging issues. and to top it off, speedometer went out 1/2 way there....I guess 20 minutes in the 95-100 mph range in 40 degree weather ain't good for this old dinosaur. lol

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also, any advice on whether or not to avoid aftermarket starter relays or should I try and keep it OEM?
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sounds like a bad ground or bad/corroded connection to me. Is the speedo driven off of the front wheel or counter shaft? I know the Daytona had the pick up on the front wheel, and it would eat those things. Unlikely but possible could be a compression issue.
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sounds like a bad ground or bad/corroded connection to me. Is the speedo driven off of the front wheel or counter shaft? I know the Daytona had the pick up on the front wheel, and it would eat those things. Unlikely but possible could be a compression issue.
speedos off the front wheel....I'm willing to bet the cable snapped (old + cold weather + I was wringing it out at times) . This bike was previously owned by, let's say, someone less mechanically inclined than a woman (or most of them anyhow)....so I've kinda accepted there will be things going out every time I ride the thing.
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The speedo is gear driven from the front wheel. Check the connection behind the speedo and at the wheel. Might have just come loose. Couldn't hurt to do a carb clean and rebuild. If it's holding idle fine, they are probably in sync.

edit: nevermind, I see you found the cable
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The speedo is gear driven from the front wheel. Check the connection behind the speedo and at the wheel. Might have just come loose. Couldn't hurt to do a carb clean and rebuild. If it's holding idle fine, they are probably in sync.

edit: nevermind, I see you found the cable
did both on the roadside with no luck....when I find time, I'll pull the cable and make sure it turning and diagnose the issue. This problem really isn't a worry of mine, just "one more thing". Once the bike is started (starts cold with ease), the bike rides/idles fine....just a PITA to start once hot, but it push starts just fine.
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It's real likely there's some corrosion causing the issue.
When I have it apart for the carbs I can give it a good look to see if anything is evident.
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