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Old 11-18-2013, 02:09 AM   #161
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One 1 on 1 session isnt going to help him.

He needs to build muscle memory, build better habits, understand his bike more and learn to look through a turn. Thats going to take a lot of time, so instead of trying to learn it with one session with someone off a forum I would say go to the track. Go to ridesmart or whoever but they all have great instructors that are far more knowledgeable than most the guys posting in this thread
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:11 AM   #162
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It's better if I teach you in person. I learned German in hamburg. Pm me, and I'll teach you what I know when I get back for free.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:17 AM   #163
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look man. 4 crashes, 1 year?

you are doing something wrong, you are trying to do things that you may think you know, but you just dont!

be real with yourself do NOT go and take back roads with people you dont know!

(frank and jim excluded)

if you crash that often you are not nearly good enough to be doing whatever you are.


stop the street back roads, you wont be cool if you go fast.


hit the track twice for 300 bucks total..

have somone actually TEACH you what you


i take you as a know it all... sell the bike or ACCEPT ADVICE AND ACTUALLY USE IT!


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Old 11-18-2013, 02:19 AM   #164
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German is a huge pAin in the to learn. I didnt want to take spanish in high school so i took german. Only passed the first one lol failed the 2nd.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:26 AM   #165
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German is a huge pAin in the to learn. I didnt want to take spanish in high school so i took german. Only passed the first one lol failed the 2nd.
Lol at east you took the class in highschool. I just took spanish and passed with flying colors. Because i already knew spanish
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:58 AM   #166
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Maybe he just needs some private 1 on 1 street time with comms. Track is all memory, and seat time. Things change on the street and it's best to error on the side of caution. Just trying to help the op.
Not true. You go and learn how to actually use your bike effectively. Braking, throttle control, counter steering, looking through the turn, avoiding someone crashing in front of you, etc.

Same thing with back roads. Same every time. Yes there are cars and animals that makes it different every time.
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And also umayr speaks alot of truth . I have 9 yrs riding street and back roads and i tagged along with umayr on 2 of his td's and i got another bike and he paid for my first trackday to get me out there and check it out. I honestly can say that i learned more in my first trackday than i had in all my yrs on the street. And he also was the one who got me to go to the Wednesday meets and thats where i had the chance to meet alot of great people and got to ask questions and get anwsers from alot of people who instruct, race and lead the back road rides. I was able to discuss and plan what days i would go to street rides and also track days. The list consist of gavin and ana from fastline .paul (racer ), jredford, Krazykris, chris 5.0, bluepine (mark) , donte, jimrad, craig rr, idazzle, absalom, and a few more im sure i missed. I also got to discuss how i earn track day credits by cornerworking . So yes umayr has been my connection to alot of the good people i know and enjoy riding with.
because you had 9 yrs of street experience. It was the same for me when I did my 1st td. I'm not saying the track CAN'T teach you the basics....but, there are other fixed and moving objects on the street that you must account for and it is a different game. The track is a place to hone your motorcycle skills IMO, not the place to learn how to correctly operate a motorcycle.

Justin, let me know when you wanna go ride on a weekend....I'll be glad to slow down, spend some time in a parking lot, whatever.
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:12 AM   #170
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because you had 9 yrs of street experience. It was the same for me when I did my 1st td. I'm not saying the track CAN'T teach you the basics....but, there are other fixed and moving objects on the street that you must account for and it is a different game. The track is a place to hone your motorcycle skills IMO, not the place to learn how to correctly operate a motorcycle.

Justin, let me know when you wanna go ride on a weekend....I'll be glad to slow down, spend some time in a parking lot, whatever.
Imo its the safest bet since there is no vehicles to worry about and if worst comes to worst there are paramedics on site waiting to aid you if needed
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:19 AM   #171
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Exactly. There was a noob ride that same day and OP was posting on that thread about how he wanted to go fast. Then he came on my fast ride and wrecked.
This is why I cringe every time I see that BORC , because way to many guys can't put logic before their ego's, both the BORC folks and newbs. The end result is this, folks crashing, hopefully not a tragic crash, and hopefully it does not involve other vehicles, but it does sometimes because there is a lack of skill and/or too much ego. The worse thing about this is it continues to happen and will continue to do so...
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Send them to your email, download to your PC then upload to imgur.com

Right click pic once its uploaded and select copy url

Then paste it in here with img brackets around it w/o spaces ex: [ i m g ]example.url[ / i m g]

Theres prolly a faster way to do it, or a way to do it from your phone but thats my method.
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... I've been riding a little over 6 years now and been down twice in a street environment (no, I don't count dropping a bike at a stop in the dirt because I lost footing...):

The first, I was an idiot, plain and simple. I'd been riding only a few months, and drinking a little bit (not enough to blow over the limit, but enough to inflate my sense of confidence) and gave it too much gas in a left turn coming from a stop a block from my house, made the back end go right out from under me.

The second was earlier this year and there wasn't much I could do. I was coming up to a stop light on the I-10 feeder @ FM359 and as the truck with a trailer full of lawn equipment made the turn in front of me I could see that something on his trailer was pouring oil in the road about 1/2 second before my front wheel was in it. Tried to let off the front brake but wasn't quick enough and the front end slid right out. Embarassing, but it was another drop at 5 mph.

The second is the kind of thing that will happen if you're riding street: there will be debris and road conditions you just can't do anything about. The first is entirely avoidable and is the result of stupidity. I've made it a point to avoid the first at all costs.
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from reading the comments the op made, and the comments of folks who have been there when he went down... seeing both what the op said and what he DID NOT say... i know one thing that he is doing on a regular basis that will at least contribute to his going down.... and from what he has said i also know that he does not believe he is doing this, but he IS...
he is watching the road directly in front of him and not looking where he wants to go... others have touched on this when they mention "looking thru the turns"... the op believes he is doing this, but he is not... he is looking where he is going instead of where he wants to go...I suggest cones in a parking lot to help overcome this habit... make himself an obstacle course with tight cones until he can move thru them at reasonable speed and not knock over cones...and do not look AT the cones...watch the ones you are going to go thru next, not the ones you are going thru at the time...like looking thru and intersection before you get there, not as you go thru it.
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from reading the comments the op made, and the comments of folks who have been there when he went down... seeing both what the op said and what he DID NOT say... i know one thing that he is doing on a regular basis that will at least contribute to his going down.... and from what he has said i also know that he does not believe he is doing this, but he IS...
he is watching the road directly in front of him and not looking where he wants to go... others have touched on this when they mention "looking thru the turns"... the op believes he is doing this, but he is not... he is looking where he is going instead of where he wants to go...I suggest cones in a parking lot to help overcome this habit... make himself an obstacle course with tight cones until he can move thru them at reasonable speed and not knock over cones...and do not look AT the cones...watch the ones you are going to go thru next, not the ones you are going thru at the time...like looking thru and intersection before you get there, not as you go thru it.
been there, done that.
which means he needs to do a trackday damnit!
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which means he needs to do a trackday damnit!
if he does and does not correct this before hand, he is going to see a lot of grass and likely low side. maybe do the round robins and then get an instructor to follow for a few sessions after...
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Then there is the idea that some people just are not meant to ride motorcycles and live long. Its one or the other for some.
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and that was top of a greasy parking garage

I did get rear ended too but kept it up

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what i typed got changed and then changed back to the original, all without me doing anything... weird!
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