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Old 04-10-2007, 01:58 PM   #21
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I can tell you from personal experience i did it all the time on my old f2, some 10 trackdays and spirited riding on the street and i would never use it on upshifts. When cruising yes; but not when going at WOT. Some 10,000 miles of doing it and now with 15,000 miles it still shifts perfect.
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:09 PM   #22
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I do it alot...no probs w/ tranny so far. Some say yes some say no. Trannys suck period they always break. Drive like a granny or drive like a bat out a ...its going to break anyways.... normally around the same time
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:19 PM   #23
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:42 PM   #24
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are you talking just normal riding and clutchless shifting or are you talking about full-power, slam shifts without the clutch?

This statement is just, well, ummmmm, how shall I say it? - WRONG ---> "I can tell you from personal experience, it ain't good for your tranny, no matter how long you've been doing it and with what technique."

I have been riding motorcycles since 1972 and have ridden over 300,000 miles and never, ever had a problem with any of my bikes transmissions from clutchless shifting and I do it ever single time I ride.

Over on the FJR forum, there are lots of other guys who do the same and never have any transmission issues.

BUT - If you miss a shift while under full power, whether with a clutch or not, all bets are off.

The only thing a clutch does, once you are in first and going, is to release the pressure on the gears from the engine so it can shift to the next gear.

You can do the same and it's easy to do, when you get ready to shift, just give a quick "blip" or roll-off of the throttle (which is what a quickshifter does by momentarily killing the ignition to unload the transmission) and snick it into the next gear.

I never pre-load the shifter when doing it. I rarely downshift w/o clutch because it's a lot harder to do and be smooth.

Once you have done it for a while it becomes second nature and you can shift smoother than with the clutch.

And what this comment is based upon I don't have a clue --> "Trannys suck period they always break. Drive like a granny or drive like a bat out a ...its going to break anyways.... " - maybe rider error or abuse?

There are lots of sportbikes, Beemers, Goldwings, ST-1300 and FJR's with well over 100k miles and no transmission issues whatsoever.

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Old 04-10-2007, 02:43 PM   #25
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this is one of the first things i learned myself on 92 yamaha seca bout 6 years ago. lol, i thought everyone new bout this(seems similar to power shifting) I dont do it on my new bike cuz i dont wanna mess anything up, even though nothing happend to my seca (i owned it for 3 years without a problem)
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Your left hand is for additional braking right?
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:52 PM   #27
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I this this going up and down.... never had any tranny issues I also do this in our big trucks at work and in my cars.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:09 PM   #28
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well VFRacer, it seems you do have a lot to learn and your "tens of thousands of miles" is kinda paltry to my hundreds of thousands of miles over a period that is only about 15 years longer than you have been riding.

I never said that 300,000 was on one bike - it's in riding all the bikes I have owned over the years.

If a trans doesn't break after 50k miles I guess it's probably gonna last, huh? That's about the average I keep a bike. I have 41.3k on my '05 FJR after 2.5 years - how many you ridden in that time?

as for this ---> "You will not be able to convince me (or anyone I gather) that you NEVER miss a shift, and that clutchless upshifts are ALWAYS SMOOTH and DON'T CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS. Bullshit." --- well, you have much more to learn cause you are discussing it with someone who HAS DONE IT (me) versus someone who someday *might* do it - you.

Go to the www.fjrforum.com - there are lots and lots of guys who have been riding longer than you have been out of diapers and never had any transmission issues whatsoever.. And never will.

If you like, we could get together sometime and I could give you some pointers on how to do this correctly so maybe you could ride like a seasoned veteran rather than a relative noobie who breaks things? Really, it's not that difficult to do..

The bullshit is usually spread by those who have far less experience and skill.

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I've never had a problem doing it. However I only do at a fast acceleration and only 2 to the top. I can downshift clutchless but why? More control using the clutch with my riding style. There is my 2 pennies.
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I would think it is all in the user and the machine. Some bikes have wonderful transmissions *cough rc51 cough* and others do not. If a rider was good at it and had a well engineered product *cough honda cough* then I think one would not have much to sweat over at night.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:25 PM   #32
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you know, sometimes, just sometimes, it's better to keep one's mouth shut and only be thought a fool, instead of opening it and removing all doubt.

What I have noticed on this board is there is a lot of inexperience talk..

Tell you what, get serious and rack up another couple hundred K's of mileage and experience and then we will talk..

Till then...

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Old 04-10-2007, 04:29 PM   #33
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:37 PM   #34
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I havnt read the old testiment posts above but, a quick shifter does the same thing as rocking off the throttle and up shifting, it just eliminates the dummy factor(kills motor simotaneously as the shift). I have been doing the cluchless upshifts since the begining of time, the only time I had a problem was during a 150hp shot of No2 and I missed a gear; other than that, if done right, no problem.

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everyone has their own opinion, and riding style. If we all rode the same then we wouldnt need racing to prove who the winner is.
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i always upshift with out tha clutch and i havent had any problems with any transmission to date. sometimes i even downshift with out the clutch but thats when either tired or lazy
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i played with a quickshifter once, what a cool toy!!! man, just pin the throttle and click away!
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If I remember correctly, the gears are straight cut gears and not helical. The only thing that damages the gears are if you do not upshift or downshift it all the way, causing the gears to "ride" on the edges of both the gears teeth. I have had to have my tranny rebuilt already and I can tell you from experience it is not from clutchless shifts, but from incomplete shifts. This is possible if you use the clutch or not. Who has an mechanical engineering degree in here?
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I've been riding for 12 years, going on 13 years this coming July. So I'm not a novice rider. I consider myself a pretty heavy duty everyday rider. That being said....

Will clutchless shifting harm your bike? I've never had any trouble and I've mis-timed my shifts many times. KER-LUNK!!! A feeling you don't want to feel on your bike. I'm talking a HARD clutchless misshift. Never had trouble with my transmission. Never.

I don't do clutchless for downshifting when I'm riding hard because of rear wheel chatter. So for me it'd be a safety issue there rather than a mechanical issue. Considering that, using the clutch gives me a smaller margin for error when I'm riding hard.

Would I do it for everyday riding? I don't see a reason to so I don't. I've got time to pull the clutch in. It's there for a reason so I use the clutch. It gets tiring but it's a good habit to develop. Instinct pulling in the clutch when needed.

That's just how I see it and do it. Do what makes you feel comfortable. You're not going to do wrong either way. Eh. To each their own.
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How in the world did you turn 51's at Denton with out doing this?
I never use teh clutch when racing, either upshifting or downshifting. I will feather the clutch to get the revs back up when exiting a corner.
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