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Old 04-26-2007, 06:04 AM   #21
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I'm no geologist, nor did I stay at Holiday Inn Express last night, but a good friend of mine is a senior geologist for Petronas.

I had a conversation with him about global warming some time back.
His opinion, based upon his knowledge of geology, was that the earth goes through heating and cooling cycles; ice ages come and go.

That being said, he did believe that humans had some impact on global warming, but that it was difficult to determine exactly how much.
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Old 04-26-2007, 08:08 AM   #22
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care to cite this scientific article?
here are a couple
http://www.uni-leipzig.de/~meteo/MUD...bl/pdf/lag.pdf
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../283/5408/1712
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../310/5752/1313
http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO...8/N48/EDIT.jsp

This article is written by Global Warming advocates in response to the "lag" data. The feel of the article seems to be a "yeah, but ... " response.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13

Now, don't get me wrong, I do not dispute the existance of global warming, what I dispute is the idea that Humans are the soul major contributer. I agree that we should do what we can to help ... ... I'm a customer of Green Mountain Energy ... but let's not lose our heads in a lie. Carbon Credit trading is already a multi-billion dollar industry with no regulation and no appreciable metrics.

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here are a couple
http://www.uni-leipzig.de/~meteo/MUD...bl/pdf/lag.pdf
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../283/5408/1712
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../310/5752/1313
http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO...8/N48/EDIT.jsp

This article is written by Global Warming advocates in response to the "lag" data. The feel of the article seems to be a "yeah, but ... " response.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13

Now, don't get me wrong, I do not dispute the existance of global warming, what I dispute is the idea that Humans are the soul major contributer. I agree that we should do what we can to help ... ... I'm a customer of Green Mountain Energy ... but let's not lose our heads in a lie. Carbon Credit trading is already a multi-billion dollar industry with no regulation and no appreciable metrics.
I guess it comes down to it, it's a feeling thing. I feel it's more reasonable to be skeptical of oil companies with vested interests, who I'm certain do not want to lose their jobs, than scientists, whose only pursuit is the truth.
It's inevitable that there's going to be business interests in new forms of technology, but I'd say it's more far fetched to say that the many scientists are all lying just to make some elite group rich off of something we don't need.
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There has been some interesting papers by "scientists" that show that while increased CO2 is present during times of increase temperature ... the data seems to show that the increase in temperature actual "leads" the rise in CO2 in the atmosphere. In other words, the increase in global temperature results in an increase in CO2 ... not the other way around.
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It says it leads to the rise in CO2 for the first 800 years, which then in turn causes more CO2 to be released, further increasing the effect for the next 4200 years.
But that's natural circumstances, also. Things are different now. We might not even need nature to raise the temperature for us, since we can produce plenty of CO2 without this process.
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The question really is ... is CO2 the driver of global temperature, or is it the result of increased global temperature. The fact that CO2 levels continued to remain high after recorded global temperatures dropped, would leave me to think that CO2 lags Global temperature. And remember the "smallest" calculated lag margin is 800 years.

And before one just simply points the finger at oil companies ... one might want to research the forces behind the marketing and selling of carbon credits. Money is being made here hand over fist.
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