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Old 04-10-2007, 11:27 AM   #1
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Soooo the Iraqis want us out...

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Iraqi Shias protest in holy city

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shias have demonstrated in the holy city of Najaf, calling for US-led troops to leave Iraq.

The protesters were responding to an appeal by cleric Moqtada Sadr, who branded US forces "your arch enemy" in a statement.

The demonstration marks four years since US troops entered Baghdad and ended the rule of Saddam Hussein.

Baghdad has been placed under curfew for the duration of the anniversary.

A 24-hour ban on movement by all vehicles, for fear of car bomb attacks, began in the city at 0500 (0100 GMT) on Monday, where four years ago a giant statue of Saddam Hussein was torn down, symbolising the fall of his regime.

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The protest in Najaf, 160km (100 miles) south of Baghdad, broke up after about three hours.

The BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says there were no reports of violence as protesters waved flags, sang and chanted slogans calling for an end to the occupation.

There was no sign of Moqtada Sadr, who has not been seen in public since US and Iraqi army forces began a new security drive in and around Baghdad nearly eight weeks ago.

The US believes he is in Iran. Our correspondent says the Americans regard the cleric and his militia, the Mehdi Army, as the biggest danger to Iraq today.

The militia is said to be heavily involved in the sectarian violence of the past year, although it was reported to have stood down in response to the security "surge", which involves an extra 30,000 US troops.

The US military praised the peaceful nature of the protest.

Spokesman Col Steven Boylan said: "This is the right to assemble, the right to free speech - they didn't have that under the former regime."

In a statement issued on Sunday, the cleric asked Iraqis not to "walk alongside the occupiers, because they are your arch enemy" and to turn all their efforts on US forces.

But he warned followers against violence, urging the Mehdi Army and Iraqi security forces "to be to be patient and to unite your efforts against the enemy and not against the sons of Iraq".

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Thousands of Shias had headed to Najaf in tightly-packed buses and cars.

Some demonstrators burned US flags and shouted slogans: "No, no, no to America... Moqtada, yes, yes, yes.".

One member of Mr Sadr's organisation, Salah al-Obaydi, called the rally a "call for liberation".

"We're hoping that by next year's anniversary, we will be an independent and liberated Iraq with full sovereignty," he told the Associated Press.

Clashes continued on Monday between coalition forces and followers loyal to the cleric in the town of Diwaniya.

US and Iraqi forces began an operation to root out militiamen there on Friday.

Moqtada Sadr's supporters hold a crucial block of seats in Iraq's parliament, giving them an influential voice in Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's government.

Mr Maliki is in Tokyo where he met Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

They signed previously agreed loans worth 103bn yen ($862m; 440m) for four economic projects.

Mr Maliki thanked Tokyo for its support and said: "Iraq has escaped the constraints of the past and is engaged in new challenges. The country is one and the people are one."

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Old 04-10-2007, 11:30 AM   #2
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Now while I definately don't believe we should even entertain obliging them, I am curious what you all think the implications of this event are. Whether you know it or not, Iraq is a majorily Shia country and considering Sadr has called for Shiites to turn their energies on Americans...just curious about what youall think our next move should be and how we should perceive the current climate of Iraq?

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wonder how hard will sean hannity and rush spin this.
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We've needed to RUN OUTTA THAT along time ago. If the PEOPLE that we are suppose to be "protecting" don't want us there, time to get da outta dodge!

At this point (and really even long b4), each life lost is truly for nothing. We're not saving the people, we are not protecting the US, at this point somebody is trying to save face and using lives to do it!!
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:08 PM   #5
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We've needed to RUN OUTTA THAT along time ago. If the PEOPLE that we are suppose to be "protecting" don't want us there, time to get da outta dodge!

At this point (and really even long b4), each life lost is truly for nothing. We're not saving the people, we are not protecting the US, at this point somebody is trying to save face and using lives to do it!!
Although you make a good point with the people we are there to protect not wanting us to be there, I'd don't really think we should leave. Historically speaking, that hasn't produced the most favorable of results (think back to Vietnam and what happened when we pulled out there). I really think that since we broke it, we have to fix it. Now I think our strategy definately needs some tending to such as forcing the Iraqi troops to take more responsibility. You only learn by doing and while doing a little, there are not doing enough to bring about the stability of their country. Iraqis need to be fighting for Iraq, not Americans, we should take a more supportive role in the matter than going out and doing the daily patrols 98.998% of the time. I do agree though, in the end, we won't be getting much out of the deal because that culture is not going to be a democracy for very long in my opinion.
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i'd like to know more about the overall concensus of how the Iraqi people feel about us being there, and why they feel the way they do.
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i'd like to know more about the overall concensus of how the Iraqi people feel about us being there, and why they feel the way they do.
Well not sure about the why, but since it is shiites that are protesting the American presence there in Iraq and being that Iraq is made up of mostly shias...I think that it can be deduced that for the most part, the general consensus is that they want us out.
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wonder how hard will sean hannity and rush spin this.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to viewing his take on it as well...
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It's unfortunate, how much of a pickle we are in with the $h!t because of num nuts!!!!!

Can't pull out cause then we look stupid, can't stay cause there's nothing productive we can or have done!
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It's unfortunate, how much of a pickle we are in with the $h!t because of num nuts!!!!!

Can't pull out cause then we look stupid, can't stay cause there's nothing productive we can or have done!
Yep and whats really sad is that I don't think anyone learned anything from this undertaking. I think that based on the rhetoric you hear on select news stations and even with select individuals, we are capable of anything and should be looking to other fronts in the war on terrorism- which itself can be absolutely won btw- well in their minds atleast.
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I beg to disagee kind of. I think that those who voted Bush's a$$ in the 1st and 2nd time have now realized how political dumb they really are!!!
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I beg to disagee kind of. I think that those who voted Bush's a$$ in the 1st and 2nd time have now realized how political dumb they really are!!!
Oh yea, that is without question, I know plenty of folks (Hispanics in particular) that voted for him and now regret it. I was speaking more to the war v. anti-war, world policing v. not-world policing, diplomacy v. engagement, etc rhetoric...
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I beg to disagee kind of. I think that those who voted Bush's a$$ in the 1st and 2nd time have now realized how political dumb they really are!!!
ummm yeahhh....you DO realize it is the electoral college (<---politicians of sorts) votes that count....not the public, right???

and while we are in Irag to protect, it is not he Iraqi people we are there for...it is the American people and economy. We can't sit back and hope they fix things how we want, we have to do it ourselves. (hence the reason we are there.)
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ummm yeahhh....you DO realize it is the electoral college (<---politicians of sorts) votes that count....not the public, right???

and while we are in Irag to protect, it is not he Iraqi people we are there for...it is the American people and economy. We can't sit back and hope they fix things how we want, we have to do it ourselves. (hence the reason we are there.)
Ultimately though, it IS the American people that vote for the President of the United States, the electoral college is just a means of making equal the will of those districts in smaller states to the will of their larger counterparts...
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ummm yeahhh....you DO realize it is the electoral college (<---politicians of sorts) votes that count....not the public, right???

and while we are in Irag to protect, it is not he Iraqi people we are there for...it is the American people and economy. We can't sit back and hope they fix things how we want, we have to do it ourselves. (hence the reason we are there.)
we're there for the american people??? how do we benefit from this again??
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I think that they closer we get to pulling out the more you will hear about Iraqi's wanting us out and protesting the US. Easier to put the blame on them when things go sour after we leave.
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I think that they closer we get to pulling out the more you will hear about Iraqi's wanting us out and protesting the US. Easier to put the blame on them when things go sour after we leave.
True, just really hope we don't oblige them...
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we're there for the american people??? how do we benefit from this again??
are you paying 6 dollars a gallon for gas? No you're not (yet:icon_bigg ) Are we fighting a war on OUR soil, NO WE ARE NOT! So THAT is how we benefit from this!
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we're there for the american people??? how do we benefit from this again??
WW2 ended the great depression:dontknow:
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Ultimately though, it IS the American people that vote for the President of the United States, the electoral college is just a means of making equal the will of those districts in smaller states to the will of their larger counterparts...
Sean, dude, seriously.....have you forgotten about a certain election that spelled it out for everyone? Popular vote doesnt get presidents in office! It merely votes for people who "might" vote similarly.
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