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Old 04-10-2007, 11:20 AM   #101
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try try try. I don't "push" in the rain but it gives me time to get a better feel for the track, bike and tires. Confidence is something that you work on slowly. some just don't like the rain and others do or make the best of it.

thanks for clearing it up sorry you had a shyte day.
Everytime that my back end slid, I would tensed up/ backflashed. It's not so bad riding in the rain but it's COLD.
Like I said before, I have no problem if it rain or shine but under the unusual circumstance of cold and sleet, Ride Smart should give us a partial credit for make it out like Buck/LMS.
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:20 AM   #102
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And you are welcome to your opinion. Everyone is. Mine differs from yours, and the next person to come along may have yet another opinion.

(It seems that MH is full of people that want to change each other's opinions even though the forum is not a debate - it is a conversation. Nobody has to be right or wrong.)

Heck, SolRacer left and he was the designated track photographer. He probably lost money on the day also because he is paid when people order their pics - the people who rode through the weather no longer had the option of buying their track photos.
Yes he left because he is not a nard like some others who decided to stay in sleeting conditions.
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:58 AM   #103
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I didn't know this was going on and I didn't have enough time to read the whole thread (I will when I get a chance).
What I'm about to say has nothing to do with Ridesmart's official statement.
This is just my opinion who spent enough money over trackdays to say something about it.
I do work/help Ridesmart to promote their school.
What I really enjoy is bringing more people out to track so they can have as much fun as I have in safer environment.
Ridesmart just happened to be a way of doing that.
Weather's nobody's control.
It's something we all have to gamble over our luck.
Sometimes we get lucky, sometimes we don't.
Dave was able to rain check for rained out Cresson trackday, but he couldn't do two trackdays in a raw.
It is very rare for trackday organization to cut rain check due to bad weather.
I was actually surprised Dave was able to do it for a trackday after his other trackdays got canceled.
With or without trackday, trackday organization has obligation to the track.
They still need to pay for the rent (or reschedule), pay instructors and other expenses.
Cresson's private club and it was Monday trackday, so it was easier to reschedule and rain check everybody.
But TWS (Texas World Speedway) is a business makes money out of track rental.
Especially weekend trackdays, there's nothing you can do but paying for the rent.
If Dave tried to rain check for the day, he would've taken $10,000 damage (according to him).
He's (and other track organizations) providing something we all love and enjoy.
It is $135 for each of us, but it is big enough amount for him to go out of business.
Is that really what we want?
Some of my trackdays rained out and I did lose money, time and effort over the day.
I understand how some of you feel like.
I'm not favoring one over the other.
I just want you to understand the other side point of view.
That's all.
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:20 PM   #104
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I'm thinking about getting a set of rain tires and I'm not kidding...
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:27 PM   #105
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no refund.....i figured that. i wouldn't expect a refund either.

but some kind of compensation would've been nice. at least refund, or give me a free chance, for the ty howard school again.
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Nutmeg I think we all realize that the trackday organizers stand to lose money if they offer refunds. The original point was that it was sleeting hard enough to be collecting on cars at the track and Ridesmart was calling the novice group onto the track.
That raises a safety issue especially considering that Ride Smart refers to themselves a school type deal.
The other point that I was trying to make seperate from the original post is that maybe the track day organizers need to negotiate some sort of contigency plan with the track management in the event of bad weather so that the riders don't become the losers in the deal.
Again perhaps the new tracks starting up will bring enough competition that there will be more flexibility in this way.
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Again, I'm not representing Ride Smart for this one.
So, I'm not going to say anything to excuse their decision.
If you want to discuss more about this, just call Dave (I think this will be faster than writing an email).
He'll be glad to spend his time to talk to you (I think he already received some phone calls).

I read the whole thread now.
This is actually a good thread to see how people see differently in certain situation.
I think this could be a good input for Ride Smart or any other track organizations.
I already sent this thread to Dave for him to read.
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As I've said before there is probably contingency insurance they can pick up. Wedding photographers and other such vendors carry insurance that cover them in the event they have a wreck or an act of that prevents them from making the event they're supposed to photograph. Then there's also the fact that they can attempt to negotiate a better deal with the track.

Right now it's just too easy to say, "Sorry the weather's bad. Thanks for your money." It sounds like some of the Track Day programs aren't really making an effort to truly take care of their customers. Sure contingency insurance will cost more, so the question would be whether a track day patron is willing to pay a little more knowing that he/she's covered in the case of bad weather. I think most would.

I also have to point out that if Ride Smart was going to lose $10,000 then at $135 a head that's 74 riders to cover the operating expenses. I know they waaaay over sell their events. Perhaps by twice that amount. So they still made a nice amount $$ that Saturday.

Thanks to whoever posted the weather policies for the various programs. At least Buck (Longhorn) makes an effort to reschedule the event. I'll definitely be attending his track days based just upon his good faith efforts alone.
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I also have to point out that if Ride Smart was going to lose $10,000 then at $135 a head that's 74 riders to cover the operating expenses. I know they waaaay over sell their events. Perhaps by twice that amount. So they still made a nice amount $$ that Saturday.
I said if Dave rain checked the day, $10,000 would've been the cost he had to take.
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I said if Dave rain checked the day, $10,000 would've been the cost he had to take.
I know. So the rough numbers are still accurate.
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I know. So the rough numbers are still accurate.
I assume that $10,000 is for track rental, instructors pay and ambulance rental.
I don't know how much it costs to rent TWS (Texas World Speedway) per weekend day, but I heard MSRH cost either $7,000-$7,500 per day (not sure this is week or weekend).
This was the reason why Buck had to stop his Longhorn School, but only private trackdays.
Tracks are expensive to rent.
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I was not offering a group hug. I will save yours for this weekend or for Katy.
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Might want to work on your elbow jab and kicks then. :icon_bigg
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Tom, I'm not arguing that unhappy customers will not likely return. That's the general nature of this thread. :icon_smil

Having ridden at LSTD I would say that they are definitely geared toward customer service and repeat customers. My comparison to Ride Smart way earlier in this thread showed that.

I am saying that it appears that many Track Day programs have a blanket attitude of "Hey, It's a gamble." The fact that few programs have NOT made the effort to at least minimize the weather factor is not an assumption. It's evident by the policies that were listed here. Other industries that are act-of- dependent have made efforts to curtail this, but most Track Day programs have not. That's my point.

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And you are welcome to your opinion. Everyone is. Mine differs from yours, and the next person to come along may have yet another opinion.

(It seems that MH is full of people that want to change each other's opinions even though the forum is not a debate - it is a conversation. Nobody has to be right or wrong.)

Heck, SolRacer left and he was the designated track photographer. He probably lost money on the day also because he is paid when people order their pics - the people who rode through the weather no longer had the option of buying their track photos.
You know you say your not trying to change peoples opinions, but yet you sit their and tell people to suck it up and get out there. If your so eager for people suck it up and go, then be ready to fix my bike along with everyone elses too. ICE and SLEET arent just "bad" conditions, thats retarded. ITS UNSAFE. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of the people here would agree.

Squeaky, Go up north, get on a track, and tell me you felt perfectly safe ridin the ole Vstrom around the track with ice. The people here dont all have touring bikes. Most of them here are street bikes. Not meant for all weather.

Sorry, but I'll stick to LSTD, and LMS.
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