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Old 10-13-2013, 03:07 PM   #21
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Why are you dead set on making more rules.
My vote is no endorsement at all. We can't protect everyone form everything. It costs enough to ride as it is.
it took 12 post......bunch O ' commmies on this site
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Old 10-13-2013, 03:27 PM   #22
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Saying" it costs enough as it is", doesn't mean I want to pay more for people that are irresponsible. It's not our job to police what everyone else does and furthermore make the responsible pay extra for the people who aren't.

Let me ask you this? A few years ago in the middle of the summer a employee thought it would be a good Idea to drink nothing but monster energy drinks all day. In a 12hr day he consumed nothing but monster and consequently died of dehydration and heat stroke.

Do we need to ban energy drinks? Is it our responsibility to regulate energy drink consumption because taters didn't drink any water during the day?

Where does it stop? If taters wants to buy a bike and not take the proper steps to learn how to ride it properly, he sure the isn't going to do it if you make it more expensive to do so.
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Old 10-13-2013, 03:31 PM   #23
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Saying" it costs enough as it is", doesn't mean I want to pay more for people that are irresponsible. It's not our job to police what everyone else does and furthermore make the responsible pay extra for the people who aren't.

Let me ask you this? A few years ago in the middle of the summer a employee thought it would be a good Idea to drink nothing but monster energy drinks all day. In a 12hr day he consumed nothing but monster and consequently died of dehydration and heat stroke.

Do we need to ban energy drinks? Is it our responsibility to regulate energy drink consumption because taters didn't drink any water during the day?

Where does it stop? If taters wants to buy a bike and not take the proper steps to learn how to ride it properly, he sure the isn't going to do it if you make it more expensive to do so.
So we could probably agree that if we made people pay more who are irresponsible, then we would have more people being responsible. I would be all for that.
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Old 10-13-2013, 03:37 PM   #24
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Was that a trick question (if taters died drinking energy drinks he would not have been able to buy a bike.)
I say no ban on energy drinks or regulations on consumption of them.
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No one said I couldn't afford to ride.
(you said it costs enough to ride as it is. so you are intimating that any more cost would be a burden)

Why do you think my opinion is wacked? (why do you think the answers previously were not of any value?)

(really no endorsement at all, heck even racers need some type of endorsement)
Why do you think limiting cc's is going to help anything? You can die just as fast on a 50cc as a 1000cc. (correct you can die as quickly, however maybe it may save a few lives)

There are kids out there that has been racing since they were old enough to kickstart the motor. Do you think they need to start out on a small displacement motor because some cheese that has never rode a motorcycle, hops on one and kills himself?
(for every one or two mature young riders you see, how many do you see that aren't?)

Where does it end? It doesn't..... the more you regulate,the more you have to regulate to keep up with the regulations you implement. You see the circle?(my question was about a phased in approach, same regulations just stepping up to the next level at the appropriate time) I thought you were smarter than this...
I think we need to make a regulation on people responding to posts in this manner, because it hurts my eyes and takes extra time to read.

Save my eyes people.......SAVE MY EYES!!
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Old 10-13-2013, 03:50 PM   #26
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Was that a trick question (if taters died drinking energy drinks he would not have been able to buy a bike.)
I say no ban on energy drinks or regulations on consumption of them.
It's not your job to worry about what taters does...

It's certainly not the states job to punish everyone because taters is, well, taters.
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It's not your job to worry about what taters does...

It's certainly not the states job to punish everyone because taters is, well, taters.
taters doesn't do anything anymore since he died drinking monster energy drinks.
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I think we need to make a regulation on people responding to posts in this manner, because it hurts my eyes and takes extra time to read.

Save my eyes people.......SAVE MY EYES!!
Ok I can agree to that. my bad.

On the other side, we should regulate the forum so that a person has to answer only one question in the reply. Don't have so many questions people.
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Taters had babys...
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Taters had babys...
I see it coming, Taters tots.
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Saying" it costs enough as it is", doesn't mean I want to pay more for people that are irresponsible. It's not our job to police what everyone else does and furthermore make the responsible pay extra for the people who aren't.

Let me ask you this? A few years ago in the middle of the summer a employee thought it would be a good Idea to drink nothing but monster energy drinks all day. In a 12hr day he consumed nothing but monster and consequently died of dehydration and heat stroke.

Do we need to ban energy drinks? Is it our responsibility to regulate energy drink consumption because taters didn't drink any water during the day?

Where does it stop? If taters wants to buy a bike and not take the proper steps to learn how to ride it properly, he sure the isn't going to do it if you make it more expensive to do so.


Your problem is that your arguement is not consistant with the issue at hand.
You are talking about regulating personal rights and driving on public roads is NOT a personal right.
What you drive/ride on privately owned property is not and should not be regualted by the state.
What you ride/drive and how you ride on public roads is regulated by the state, not just for your safety, but for the safety of others.
If you want to drink yourself to death with energy drinks, so be it.
You want to be an on public streets, or drive beyond your skill level and put others in danger, not so good.
I do agree that traffic fines do little to stop irresponsible or bad drivers, and are more about revenue raising than public safety. I think that bad drivers and irresponsible drivers should loose their license and tags, not just pay a fine...you want to do tripple figures on public roads, be willing to loose your license and have your bike impounded instead of paying a few hundred in fines.
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There are cases of people died from drinking too much water, too. Same for eating too much carrots. Consuming too much of anything is just plain stupidity. That's regulated separately by Darwinian Law.

Motor vehicles and powered machinery are very much the business of the state to regulate who is qualified to operate. Nobody would argue a no-experience 15yr old should be allowed to swing a 2-ton wrecking ball or control a construction crane. 185HP 250mph motorcycle should be no different.
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I don't think basing it on cc's is a good idea. A 650cc Suzuki Savage(S40) is a much different animal than a 600cc sport bike
I agree with you there. I wouldn't be opposed to a power-based licensing system where even bigger bikes could be de-tuned for beginner class licenses (like LAMS in Australia).

It's certainly not an unprecedented idea, at least internationally, and while I wouldn't oppose it, people already ignore the licensing requirements we currently have, and an idiot can kill himself on a 250 (or detuned 600) nearly as quickly as on anything else. For people who want to bring up off-road experience vs. tiered licensing, why not make licensing based on testing and documented experience? "You must pass course 'A' and test for license 'A', you must additionally pass course 'B' and test with documented months of experience (either lapsed time since course 'A' or documented track/off-road riding experience) for license 'B' ", etc."
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Let stupid people hurt themselves. Screw more regulations. Most who die are not following the rules anyway. Just like gun laws. Those who do the stupid are not legal any way. More rules isnt gonna fix stupid.
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I disagree, only in that I believe education IS effective, and requiring more classes and/or experience before moving to more powerful machines might actually help some people make fewer ignorant mistakes. But on the other side, there's only one cure for stupid.
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You can die just as fast on a 50cc as a 1000cc.
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I will have to totally disagree with this statement, the rest I'm on board with what your saying, but you can not die or maim your self just as fast on a 50cc as you can a 1kcc...
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I will have to totally disagree with this statement, the rest I'm on board with what your saying, but you can not die or maim your self just as fast on a 50cc as you can a 1kcc...
Only bike I've hurt myself on was a 50
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This would help nothing. Poeple are safe or they aren't . Making them sit in more classes beating safety down their throats won't make them any safer.
Cannot agree. It's not 'beating safety down their throats'. Some people actually do their best to learn and retain what they are being taught. Not just sitting in a class and trying to pass a test.
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