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Old 10-13-2013, 07:46 AM   #1
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Should states adopt a UK license strategy?

The UK has several levels of licensing for motorized two wheelers
Everything from Mopeds to trikes. It is a bit confusing
As I read this I am not sure if they are saying that you can only ride trike or sidecar if you are physically disabled or not.

Do you think it would be a good idea to have levels based on power outputs?

Motorcycles (A1, A2 and A)

There are different minimum age restrictions and power outputs for the different categories. If you are an existing tricycle rider you won’t lose the entitlement you currently hold.

Tests for mopeds with 3 or 4 wheels, A1 and A tricycles and sidecar combinations will only be offered to physically disabled drivers or riders.
Tricycles (AM, A and A1)

There are varied minimum age restrictions and power outputs for the different categories. If you are an existing tricycle rider with a full licence, you won’t lose the entitlement you currently hold.

Tests for mopeds with 3 or 4 wheels, A1 and A tricycles and sidecar combinations will only be offered to physically disabled drivers or riders.
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:35 AM   #2
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I wonder how many people "RIPping" on rider down threads will turn around and vigorously oppose any graduated license scheme...
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I believe that there are a few states that already have a few different classes of licenses. I was in washing state for awhile back around 1980 and they had 2 classes back then. I can not remember what they were exactly but I think one was for below a certain cc size and one was for all sizes...
I remember because at the time I had two BSA 441 victors and borrowed a friends bike to take the test on so as not to have to take it again when I bought a bigger bike.
I would not mind seeing teenagers with a license limited to a 125 or 250.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:01 AM   #4
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:13 AM   #5
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My first license was an M2 in CA. It limited the bike to 250cc and no riding at night. The M endorsement was unlimited, but you had to do another ride test. I have no problem with making it safer for riders.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:20 AM   #6
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I think a separate licensing class for "twist n go" scooter riders would improve things. A great deal of time in the basic rider course is spent on proficiency in manual shifting. Scooter riders could spend that "shifting" time on more accident avoidance skills.
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Don't know about now, but in 1974 Texas had a age limit/ CC limit. I got my M/C license at the age of 15 for 125cc or less motorcycle. Can't really remember, I think at age 17 you retested for a unlimited license. 1976 I rode my 1st super bike, my bros brand new KZ 750 triple.
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I wonder how many people "RIPping" on rider down threads will turn around and vigorously oppose any graduated license scheme...
Good question probably a few I imagine.

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I believe that there are a few states that already have a few different classes of licenses. I was in washing state for awhile back around 1980 and they had 2 classes back then. I can not remember what they were exactly but I think one was for below a certain cc size and one was for all sizes...
I remember because at the time I had two BSA 441 victors and borrowed a friends bike to take the test on so as not to have to take it again when I bought a bigger bike.
I would not mind seeing teenagers with a license limited to a 125 or 250.
Agree limit the cc's till a certain age.

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My first license was an M2 in CA. It limited the bike to 250cc and no riding at night. The M endorsement was unlimited, but you had to do another ride test. I have no problem with making it safer for riders.
You still don't ride at night JK They do the same for cars correct (limit the hours)

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I think a separate licensing class for "twist n go" scooter riders would improve things. A great deal of time in the basic rider course is spent on proficiency in manual shifting. Scooter riders could spend that "shifting" time on more accident avoidance skills.
Under 50CC do you even need a license?

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Don't know about now, but in 1974 Texas had a age limit/ CC limit. I got my M/C license at the age of 15 for 125cc or less motorcycle. Can't really remember, I think at age 17 you retested for a unlimited license. 1976 I rode my 1st super bike, my bros brand new KZ 750 triple.
Not sure if things are different now or not (any younger riders know)?
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I don't think basing it on cc's is a good idea. A 650cc Suzuki Savage(S40) is a much different animal than a 600cc sport bike
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In Texas they do limit cc to age but for one year. You can't have anything above 250cc until you turn 16 and then its whatever you want. I think they should extend that to 18 or so.
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I don't think basing it on cc's is a good idea. A 650cc Suzuki Savage(S40) is a much different animal than a 600cc sport bike
Are you saying that the power delivery for a thumper is different than a sport bike? Good point. A lot more plays into it than CC's

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In Texas they do limit cc to age but for one year. You can't have anything above 250cc until you turn 16 and then its whatever you want. I think they should extend that to 18 or so.
may not be bad idea.
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Why are you dead set on making more rules.
My vote is no endorsement at all. We can't protect everyone form everything. It costs enough to ride as it is.
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My vote is no endorsement at all. We can't protect everyone form everything. It costs enough to ride as it is.
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If you're gonna limit cc's then may as well limit hp on cars till a certain age. I hope not
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My vote is no endorsement at all. We can't protect everyone form everything. It costs enough to ride as it is.
did someone die and leave you dictator? nothing wrong with asking opinions and getting feedback?
if you can't afford to ride don't. At least we know your opinion, as wacked as it is.
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did someone die and leave you dictator? nothing wrong with asking opinions and getting feedback?
if you can't afford to ride don't. At least we know your opinion, as wacked as it is.
No one said I couldn't afford to ride.

Why do you think my opinion is wacked? Why do you think limiting cc's is going to help anything? You can die just as fast on a 50cc as a 1000cc.

There are kids out there that has been racing since they were old enough to kickstart the motor. Do you think they need to start out on a small displacement motor because some cheese that has never rode a motorcycle, hops on one and kills himself?

Where does it end? It doesn't..... the more you regulate,the more you have to regulate to keep up with the regulations you implement. You see the circle? I thought you were smarter than this...
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I vote NO limitations, either by cc, power or age. However, getting a license should be much much harder, much more expensive, require far more training than what is required today, and the penalty for not following traffic rules should be a of a lot stiffer. Maybe if people had to work harder to get and keep a license, and were better trained drivers to boot, the roads would actually be safer, which if I am not mistaken is the point of licensing in the first place.
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I vote NO limitations, either by cc, power or age. However, getting a license should be much much harder, much more expensive, require far more training than what is required today, and the penalty for not following traffic rules should be a of a lot stiffer. Maybe if people had to work harder to get and keep a license, and were better trained drivers to boot, the roads would actually be safer, which if I am not mistaken is the point of licensing in the first place.
This would help nothing. Poeple are safe or they aren't . Making them sit in more classes beating safety down their throats won't make them any safer.
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I vote NO limitations, either by cc, power or age. However, getting a license should be much much harder, much more expensive, require far more training than what is required today, and the penalty for not following traffic rules should be a of a lot stiffer. Maybe if people had to work harder to get and keep a license, and were better trained drivers to boot, the roads would actually be safer, which if I am not mistaken is the point of licensing in the first place.
What about low income families, how are they suppose to pay for the license. They would have to make another govt program to help them and the money for this comes from where?! Also this would mean more people driving illegally and untrained, because they could not afford the license/class. I understand what you mean by if it cost more that we would care more but its just not plausible at all. Also the penalty being stiffer, why? You get a ticket you already have to pay the court, plus you insurance goes sky high what else would/could they do beside take your license. Everyone has broken some traffic law at some point, but that does not make them bad drivers.
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Why are you dead set on making more rules.
My vote is no endorsement at all. We can't protect everyone form everything. It costs enough to ride as it is.
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No one said I couldn't afford to ride.
(you said it costs enough to ride as it is. so you are intimating that any more cost would be a burden)

Why do you think my opinion is wacked? (why do you think the answers previously were not of any value?)

(really no endorsement at all, heck even racers need some type of endorsement)
Why do you think limiting cc's is going to help anything? You can die just as fast on a 50cc as a 1000cc. (correct you can die as quickly, however maybe it may save a few lives)

There are kids out there that has been racing since they were old enough to kickstart the motor. Do you think they need to start out on a small displacement motor because some cheese that has never rode a motorcycle, hops on one and kills himself?
(for every one or two mature young riders you see, how many do you see that aren't?)

Where does it end? It doesn't..... the more you regulate,the more you have to regulate to keep up with the regulations you implement. You see the circle?(my question was about a phased in approach, same regulations just stepping up to the next level at the appropriate time) I thought you were smarter than this...
I am
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