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Old 10-09-2013, 08:56 AM   #21
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I'm all for a helmet law. I saw solracers helmet after he hit that deer and it was trashed but his head was fine. If he wasn't wearing it he probably wouldn't be around. that was after hitting a deer, so it's not always cagers
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:04 AM   #22
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Thats what he said.

Outlaw everything that is unsafe

EVERYTHiNG
not trying to thread jack but they just banned any hard ball from a school up north because the district wants the kids to not get hurt and then the parents sue.

Also I agree with it should be your choice to wear a helmet, seatbelt or what ever. The only thing I don't like is that when more people die because of something my insurance goes up because they deem it a higher risk of injury.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:05 AM   #23
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Yup that's exactly what we need more legislation. More BS laws traffic officers have to enforce, and no doubt more money for our government officials to squander away. No wonder this country is in the situation its in right now.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:14 AM   #24
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I moved here from a state that had a helmet law, so it wasn't a choice. Guess I'm just not used to seeing people ride around without helmets on.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:23 AM   #25
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Wonder if the statistics are normalized for the population and per-mile-traveled. Texas is a big ol' state and the riding season is a lot longer than a lot of other states.
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not trying to thread jack but they just banned any hard ball from a school up north because the district wants the kids to not get hurt and then the parents sue.

Also I agree with it should be your choice to wear a helmet, seatbelt or what ever. The only thing I don't like is that when more people die because of something my insurance goes up because they deem it a higher risk of injury.
Getting off topic a bit, there's all this outrage over "outlawing" hard during recess, but everyone seems to overlook the fact that this was done because the space for play was greatly reduced during some construction work and there was not enough space to play safely without putting kids that didn't want to play with the hard in the way. The "hard " are still used during other PE and sport activity times, just not "free play" (recess). This is still a bad comparison, IMO, because trying to keep kids safe away from their parents' supervision is completely different (in my mind) than telling an adult what to do.

I don't think the state should make you wear a helmet if you're over 18, but I do think it was a step in the right direction to start requiring MSF for motorcycle licensing, just like Driver's Ed should be required for a regular driver's license. You want to go without a helmet? Fine, but you'd better at least understand the risk first.
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I would absolutely bet on it. Of the 46% it mentions died and were not wearing helmets, I bet 1/3 to 1/2 would have lived just by wearing a lid. It's a proven fact that seatbelts, airbags, AND helmets save lives.
That's a dyno judgement... I repeat check the rip reports and give the % that woukd have lived with a helmet.
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Agreed. Just because something is stupid, doesn't mean Uncle Sam has any right to legislate it. "Safety laws" are essentially the same as saying, "you're too stupid to make the right choice, so we'll make it for you and fine you if you disagree."
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Everyone should be free to make their own choice. Stupid or not. Dont want to wear a helmet, fine. Dont want to wear a seatbelt, fine. Want to smoke, fine. Want to OD on Tylenol, fine. Want to run from here to Mexico with no shoes, and only a speedo on, fine. Want to try to jump your house on a MX bike, in a dress, fine.
it is the riders choice in Texas

Texas - On 6/19/09, Gov. Rick Perry signed into law SB 1967 of the 81st Regular Legislative Session effective 9/1/09 and repeals the helmet exemption sticker program.

Current law requires a person be covered with a minimum of $10,000 in health insurance for injuries incurred in a motorcycle accident to be eligible for an exception for the offense of operating or riding a motorcycle without a helmet. The bill removes that minimum amount. The bill requires the Texas Dept of Insurance to prescribe a standard proof of health insurance for issuance to persons who are at least 21 and covered by an applicable health insurance plan.

The bill prohibits cops from stopping or detaining operators or passengers for the sole purpose of determining whether the person has successfully completed a motorcycle operator training and safety course or is covered by a motorcycle health insurance plan and repeals provisions relating to a DPS-issued sticker required to be displayed on a motorcycle by the owner.
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There's not really any motivation to take an MSF course - I think I got a $10 discount on my insurance....

Couple that with no helmet laws, and I'm not surprised that there's so many fatalities in Texas.
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If you feel that its unsafe to ride without a lid and it should be illegal to ride without one, how would you feel if riding a motorcycle was made illegal due to safety concerns? No doubt lives would be saved, but should it be mandatory? I don't think so. People die, thats what happens. If we got that concerned about death, we could just outlaw anything deemed unsafe.
Every time some squid racks up his brand new R1, and ends up in the hospital, my insurance rates will indirectly be affected, because I'm also a young white male motorcycle rider.
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Texas - On 6/19/09, Gov. Rick Perry signed into law SB 1967 of the 81st Regular Legislative Session effective 9/1/09 and repeals the helmet exemption sticker program.
The bill removes that minimum amount.
Seriously? I was out of state when this went through. I always thought the $10k minimum was a bit of a joke, that much money will barely get you in the door at an ER, but it was something. I agree that individual safety laws such as helmets and seatbelts are , but at the same time there should be wording in the documents one must sign to get a drivers license (with or with the M endorsement) that indemnifies the State or general public from providing care for you if you choose not to use them. If you are stupid enough not to value your head, that's fine although I would never ride without one, just don't ask me or anyone else to pay your hospital bills.
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"Perhaps one of the main reasons for higher rates in Texas than in the rest of the country is that there is no legal requirement to wear a helmet there and indeed this was the case in 46% of Texas motorcycle fatalities in 2011."
Co-relation is not causation. Just because 46% of fatalities weren't wearing helmets doesn't mean that's what killed them.

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I would absolutely bet on it. Of the 46% it mentions died and were not wearing helmets, I bet 1/3 to 1/2 would have lived just by wearing a lid. It's a proven fact that seatbelts, airbags, AND helmets save lives.
This ain't Vegas, your bets are worth exactly...nothing.
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Every time some squid racks up his brand new R1, and ends up in the hospital, my insurance rates will indirectly be affected, because I'm also a young white male motorcycle rider.
Huh maybe but my motorcycle ins,and my health ins(which is expensive because i wadded myself up pretty good w/helmet and gear) rates havent gone up in the past three years and Im pretty certian there are quite a few no helmet fatalitys in that time (dont affect me one bit) if people want to ride naked I may laugh and call them a dumbass but its their CHOICE (the way it should be) Its been said many times "if you think your head is not worth protection your probably right" but it still your chioice.
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For those that want a helmet law..

It is also legal to ride with shorts and no shirt. Should we pass laws against that?Where would the regulation end?
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our legislature has not displayed much in the way of common sense , why should they demand something from bikers that they do not mandate in thier own actions.
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our legislature has not displayed much in the way of common sense , why should they demand something from bikers that they do not mandate in thier own actions.
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For those that want a helmet law..

It is also legal to ride with shorts and no shirt. Should we pass laws against that?Where would the regulation end?
When we cant ride motorcycles. But then they would deem cars, trucks, bus, and planes to dangerous to and then we are back to walking. But wait some one gets hurt walking now where forced to sit at home all day and never leave the house. But remember our govt cares about us and does this for our safety.
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Co-relation is not causation. Just because 46% of fatalities weren't wearing helmets doesn't mean that's what killed them.

This ain't Vegas, your bets are worth exactly...nothing.
Ever hear of an idiom?

Do what you want with your own head. Law or no law, I'll continue wearing my helmet.
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