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Old 10-06-2013, 09:27 AM   #21
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RIP to the rider and family.

Please do not interpret the following as blaming the rider. What I am about to write is intended as information for all to use in the future when they ride. Just remember everybody - This occurrence of a vehicle driver turning in front of a motorcycle - IS THE #1 MOST FREQUENT CAUSEOF A TWO VEHICLE ACCIDENT. This is substantiated by numerous safety studies.

THEREFORE WE MUST GIVE OURSELVES EXTRA SPACE AND REACTION TIME IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THIS POSSIBILITY.

Was it the drivers fault? Absolutely. Are we surrounded by poorly skilled drivers? Absolutely. Do drivers have poor judgement about speed, time and distance? No doubt about it. Are drivers distracted by cell phones, and things other than smartly driving their vehicles? YES, YES, YES.

Read safety books like: "Ride Hard Ride Smart" by Pat Hahn; and "Street Strategies" by David Hough. It is a jungle out there. Let's all ride responsibly.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:03 AM   #22
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charges are not usually filed in an accident just because it results in a fatality.
There are several things in the news report that I do find disturbing....
It describes the driver as an elderly man but does not give the age, I am elderly and I do not drive stupidly. How old is elderly, 60, 90 ? Some people always drove stupidly and their old age was just a continuation of it.
The accident happened at 10:15 at night, everyone's depth perception is affected at night and the elderly man should not have turned in front of oncoming traffic, but , young people do that in broad daylight. He actually turned in front of two vehicles, it is just that a car managed to stop...
a car has better braking than a motorcycle?
The 18 year old rider (in the dark) is said to have tried to brake and yet still managed to hit an SUV hard enough to turn it over? Seems like multiple contributing factors were involved here, with enough fault to go around.
As bad as it sounds, the young rider can share some of the blame for his own death for his lack of defensive driving... sort of why I always tell folks you can be dead right.
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Perhaps just a traffic citation--Uh No.
If it involves death, More must happen whether it was intentional or not.
Everything cant be dismissed with just a simple citation!
A young man's life was Taken here.
Elderly guy will live with this accident till his death.

Imagine you being involved in the same ACCIDENT.
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Since the comments on this post seem one sided to me I'll play. The reason the old man misjudged the distance was because the bike was traveling two or three times the speed limit and got to him muuuuuuch faster than it should have if traveling the speed limit. That explains how a bike could flip the old mans car over. 100% bikers fault and why old man did not get citation.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:39 AM   #25
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Imagine you're driving at night, speed limit is 45. You want to turn left across oncoming lanes and up ahead you see headlights approaching.
You decide there its ample space and make the turn. Suddenly the headlights you assumed were approaching at more or less the speed limit, turn into a motorcycle going 130. In the crash the rider its killed.

What should your punishment be? Several posts in thus thread have suggested a citation isn't enough because a life was taken, so, what its the right punishment?
You feel you didn't do anything wrong, you signaled, you checked traffic, it was clear. It was the bike going 3 times the speed limit that was in the wrong.

Not saying that's what happened here, since none of us knows all the facts. But to say that a traffic citation isn't enough because somebody died is off base.
Besides there could be further charges filled in the future.
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No charges were expected to be filed against the driver of the SUV. Police said the elderly man would most likely receive just a traffic citation for his involvement in the deadly accident.

That is up
The old man will pay in civil court, nothing criminal about the accident; but he is still financially responsible for taking the young man's life!
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Just because the guy was a rider doesn't mean we should side with him. We do not know what happened by what they reported.


One thing is for sure is that the rider must have been going fast to flip the truck.

Or he is still pretty new at riding and when he tried to hit the brakes he twisted the throttle more when he did brake
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Imagine you're driving at night, speed limit is 45. You want to turn left across oncoming lanes and up ahead you see headlights approaching.
You decide there its ample space and make the turn. Suddenly the headlights you assumed were approaching at more or less the speed limit, turn into a motorcycle going 130. In the crash the rider its killed.

What should your punishment be? Several posts in thus thread have suggested a citation isn't enough because a life was taken, so, what its the right punishment?
You feel you didn't do anything wrong, you signaled, you checked traffic, it was clear. It was the bike going 3 times the speed limit that was in the wrong.

Not saying that's what happened here, since none of us knows all the facts. But to say that a traffic citation isn't enough because somebody died is off base.
Besides there could be further charges filled in the future.
Yup very true. All we know is that there was an accident.

Now if he was purposely trying to hit him then yea throw the book at him.
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Glad my dumbass self at 18 didnt have a bike.

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Cops probably to lazy to arrest the old man....lazy ..

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I don't think he set out to kill a biker.
This. Accidents haopen. Thats why i ALWAYS assume a car is going to turn or someone will run thelight or etc.
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Negligent homicide? What a shame, poor kid. I know that road, he was prbly rolling through a light.
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Speed limit where the crash occurred is 50 mph. At night, when most drivers are traveling around that speed it will be easy to misjudge the speed of one headlight on a bike going fast enougb to flip an SUV.
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I bet the car that slammed their brakes on was in front of the bike in the right lane. And I also bet that the car was blocking the riders view to his right, meaning he probably didn't even see the other car pulling out in front of him until he was already out in front, in the street making the left turn. This make sense? Reading the police report, I can see this being the case, since the car was able to stop but not the bike.
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Rip man.

People dont need to get charged everytime an accident happens. And the biker was prob. speeding. Are yall serious.

This me off more than the 3 seconds i watched kardashians and theyre mom say she's completely against guns.

What happened to america?
what about the kid speeding you off? The fact that he contributed to his own death, or the fact that most of the riders on here assumed an 18 year old who hit an suv hard enough to turn it over was speeding?

How does any of the the things the riders had to say suggest that something has happened to America?
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Na, just people wanting people to get charged over every accident. B/c it shows pussyism in americans ideology. Govt govt govt.. No personal accountability responsibility. I guess, iono.
oh, sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying.
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