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Old 10-01-2013, 01:01 PM   #1
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So I rode an HP4 last night

... and it was terrible.

*Disclaimer: I rode it on the street, so I was obviously never able to truly ride it as it was meant to be- WFO on a track. Additionally, I didn't get to ride it all day, so obviously there are things that require getting used to*

That being said, I will compare it to my 08 1000RR in a few simple lines.

Handling: wtf is wrong with the steering? JK- I know the active damping is doing crazy things when steering at low speeds/middle speeds- but the steering is soooo wonky. Hard to lean at first, then it just dives in, but doesnt hold very easily unless your on the gas. The CBR feels like a ninja500 in comparison. I've owned nearly a dozen bikes, and the low-speed steering of this thing is the worst/least confidence-inspiring that I've ever come across. Hands down.

Shifting: I missed 2 multiple times, even with a concerted effort to shift that , the tiny pedal needed to be jammed up (hard) to ensure a good shift. After 2nd it wasnt bad. Finding N again.... not nearly as easy as the Honda.

Power, it doesn't (feel like it) hold a candle to the 1000RR anywhere below 7k rpms. Where I drive my cbr all day under 5-6k, the s1000rrHP4 BEGGED to be rev'd. Of course this is what it is made for, but for anything but track riding it felt extremely high strung. Like an r6 on steroids. Exactly like my 07 r6, just more.

Brakes- monster stopping power. best I've ever felt. Far more than necessary for the street, but with advanced abs you don't have to worry so much. AND on the plus side- you will develop some rocking forearms/triceps from holding your body weight back every time you even think about tapping the lever.

Sexy appeal- Okay, the HP4 wins hands down. It is f'ing gorgeous. I felt like a king on it (though it certainly isn't as comfortable a throne as found on the honda).

All in all, I would love to test it on the track (I ride a decent lvl 3 pace), but I can't imagine having to ride that thing around town.



I may get a lot of flack for this, but just wanted to get it out there.

Much like a supermodel wife- the HP4 may be a dream in your head, but in reality it's an entirely different story. I'll take my "girl-next-door" Honda any day... just let me keep my track bike () too. haha
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:09 PM   #2
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The steering issues might be caused by improper suspension setup. The mags have said good things about the hp4 without mentioning the problems you had.
Interesting to read the part about the lack of low end grunt. Knowing that sorta takes the edge off my .
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Old 10-01-2013, 02:17 PM   #3
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Zxalan made similar statements about his S1000R
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The steering issues might be caused by improper suspension setup. The mags have said good things about the hp4 without mentioning the problems you had.
Interesting to read the part about the lack of low end grunt. Knowing that sorta takes the edge off my .
I'm fairly certain it wasn't the suspension... it was the active steering damper system, or at least partly.

The required steering pressure was not consistent at low speeds, even in single turns. I'm sure its designed to be used at higher speeds.

Also I should mention I was riding in slick/full race mode. That may have negatively affected the low speed manuevering
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Old 10-01-2013, 05:41 PM   #5
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my 06RR with -1/+2 sprockets makes my S1000rr feel slow below 8k rpms. The Honda motors are stronger in the midrange
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:07 PM   #6
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... and it was terrible.

*Disclaimer: I rode it on the street, so I was obviously never able to truly ride it as it was meant to be- WFO on a track. Additionally, I didn't get to ride it all day, so obviously there are things that require getting used to*

That being said, I will compare it to my 08 1000RR in a few simple lines.

Handling: wtf is wrong with the steering? JK- I know the active damping is doing crazy things when steering at low speeds/middle speeds- but the steering is soooo wonky. Hard to lean at first, then it just dives in, but doesnt hold very easily unless your on the gas. The CBR feels like a ninja500 in comparison. I've owned nearly a dozen bikes, and the low-speed steering of this thing is the worst/least confidence-inspiring that I've ever come across. Hands down.

I have not seen this on my S1000rr since mine is not an HP4 with the electric dampener and suspension. Mine steers like a hot scalpel in butter. However, IF I crank down on my adjustable dampener (old school style with the ) it will steer like you describe at slow speeds... Definitely hinders it's steering. If I back the dampener off to really make the low speed steering neutral and sharp, I find its a bit too twitchy on hard acceleration... Catch 22...

Shifting: I missed 2 multiple times, even with a concerted effort to shift that , the tiny pedal needed to be jammed up (hard) to ensure a good shift. After 2nd it wasnt bad. Finding N again.... not nearly as easy as the Honda. Mine shifts absolutely perfect, sometimes neutral is tricky, I found rolling forward a bit will help it go into neutral. I make sure to only use the quick shifter when accelerating at a decent clip....not just putt putting around town. I have discovered you have to shift pretty positive on the 1-2 shift when the bike is cold...

Power, it doesn't (feel like it) hold a candle to the 1000RR anywhere below 7k rpms. Where I drive my cbr all day under 5-6k, the s1000rrHP4 BEGGED to be rev'd. Of course this is what it is made for, but for anything but track riding it felt extremely high strung. Like an r6 on steroids. Exactly like my 07 r6, just more. Yes, its definitely weaker below 7k then just about any other liter bike.... especially at part throttle. After laying my dyno curve on top of my dyno curve from my 01 1000', the 1000 was stronger until 7k rpms, they were pretty even from 7-9k, both making 150rwhp at 10k, then the 1000 would peak at 11k and nose over.. The S1000rr power curve sky rockets to 14k.... 30hp stronger up top. It DEFINITELY wants to be revved... The problem is, it is EXTREMELY wheelie prone after 9k... Hard to make use of the power in the first 2 gears for sure, sometimes 3rd will wheelie or atleast get light and twitchy at 12k.. Not the easiest powerband for sure but is nasty after 11k.
Brakes- monster stopping power. best I've ever felt. Far more than necessary for the street, but with advanced abs you don't have to worry so much. AND on the plus side- you will develop some rocking forearms/triceps from holding your body weight back every time you even think about tapping the lever. I agree, best brakes I have ever felt on a motorcycle...bar none.
Sexy appeal- Okay, the HP4 wins hands down. It is f'ing gorgeous. I felt like a king on it (though it certainly isn't as comfortable a throne as found on the honda). Yeah they're pretty HAWT...
All in all, I would love to test it on the track (I ride a decent lvl 3 pace), but I can't imagine having to ride that thing around town. Not the most comfy....I'm good for about an hour at a time and that's it.. That's with an aftermarket gel seat, taller windscreen and softer suspension settings.

I may get a lot of flack for this, but just wanted to get it out there.

Much like a supermodel wife- the HP4 may be a dream in your head, but in reality it's an entirely different story. I'll take my "girl-next-door" Honda any day... just let me keep my track bike () too. haha
I compare the S1000rr to a stripper... You wanna ride it, you know its gonna be painful...but you do it anyway..and you wanna show her off everywhere.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:51 AM   #7
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I compare the S1000rr to a stripper... You wanna ride it, you know its gonna be painful...but you do it anyway..and you wanna show her off everywhere.
hahaha. exactly
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I didn't have a hp4 but I had 2010 s1000rr and had nothing but problems with it and wasn't impressed at all. U won't get any flack from me.
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I didn't have a hp4 but I had 2010 s1000rr and had nothing but problems with it and wasn't impressed at all. U won't get any flack from me.
Yeah both 10-11 models had a bunch of problems.. I almost didn't buy an S1000rr due to all the I read. They fixed a lot of stuff on the 12s... That being said, there is so much packed in this thing that I could see plenty of stuff to go wrong..

So far mine has been 99% perfect. Only issue I have is a slight slight seap on a fork seal... No liquid but...you can see the smears so...something is coming. Ill wait til the 6k service and fix it then.


Yeah hopping on it and going for a spin isn't that impressive... It's when you can wring its neck that you can tell the difference from all of the other liter bikes... The top end charge after 11k is pretty crazy for a stock bike... just wheelies too bad to make much use of it..
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:15 PM   #12
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I compare the S1000rr to a stripper... You wanna ride it, you know its gonna be painful...but you do it anyway..and you wanna show her off everywhere.
Lol!!!!
I rode mine for the past three years balllllls to the walllllls... Never had a single issue , saved my assss more than once.... Not two Sundays ago , but when the front has to give then... What can you do except Brace for Impact!!!!!!
Great bike.... ... S1000RR is for the full blown Out rider..., if it's not you then keep you SV....
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Strange. HP4 is supposed to be more street friendly than the S1000RR.

This is a looks > functionality for the street??
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