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Old 10-02-2013, 09:32 AM   #301
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What if two muscle cars needed two lanes to race? You're being pretty inconsiderate.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:33 AM   #302
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lol. thats assuming he even got that prior incident on video. we don't know that either. lol.
yea and none of the other riders that recorded that day missed it as well
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What if two muscle cars needed two lanes to race? You're being pretty inconsiderate.
It's true. I feel bad. I will go turn myself in now.
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yea and none of the other riders that recorded that day missed it as well
We all know beyond a reasonable doubt that it was ALL caught on tape. They just decided to hold on to the incriminating parts. Its kinda natural that they would do so.
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Why, cause rider's never start ?
LOL never said that.

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Uh, ever hear of menacing? You don't think they were scared when strangers started breaking out windows? Get real
Not falling into your trap again. You have a way trying to make emotional arguments factual, and have a way of twisting words around. Kinda like the media. oh wait...

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You don't get the luxury of choices and seeing more all the time. Sometimes decisions are made in haste when kids are involved. I can take care if myself, but if my kids are in the car I will run your over or shoot if you appear to be a threat to them
Yeah, I know that, and I have made stupid decisions in the past because of my child in danger. You don't have to explain that one to me. So, i'll reiterate my original point: IF there was a single accident before the vid, and the bikes over reacted and started to attack immediately, then yeah, the got what they deserved. But on the flip side of that, IF the rover never made an attempt to stop after the incident before, then at least a charge for leaving the scene of an accident. But again, those are big IFs.
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yea and none of the other riders that recorded that day missed it as well
obviously they weren't dumb enough to post it. lol!
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We all know beyond a reasonable doubt that it was ALL caught on tape. They just decided to hold on to the incriminating parts. Its kinda natural that they would do so.
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Not falling into your trap again.
What, the trap of common sense? You know, you're nearly not as smart as you think.
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when poeple such as your self throw in this little part in a sentence i disregard that and see what you say after.

examples : "not trying to throw anyone under the bus but" better be ready to get thrown under the bus.

"not trying to be a hole but" dudes about to be a hole

"not trying to stereotype but" your just stereotyped



Then let me change my stance, I'll be the that says, just look at the general demographic of the riders in the video, happens time and again.

People also thought these were a bunch of punk kids but it turns out they were a bunch of punk adults.
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I watched it a few times.

Look like right after the dude brake checked the RR, and the RR stops, if you watch the video it looks to me like the riders are already trying to open the door and pull him out. Hence he took off. He was already being threatened.

And its in no way the RR's fault the first guy got hit. Look how close he was when he brake checked him!
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I can say this, I usually carry an ar-15 and 230 rds of ammo in either my car or my 4x4, when I am driving in Houston. This is in addition to my CHL pistol and the pistol and extra mags in the BOB. Why? It started when HPD and HSCO did not interdict Q10s blockade offa highway after the Zimmerman verdict. That made it clear that we, as drivers, are on our own in Houston. I know, it's a lot, but my life is worth it and it doesn't take long to toss it in the truck.

If a bunch of anyone, bikers, jeep club posse, Porsche boxster fan club or my little pony BRONY club members did this to me, especially while I was traveling with my wife and kids, there would have been a lot more bodies.

If I was in the 4x4 and got trapped in traffic, I would have reversed over the group in back and kept going in 4 lo with locked differentials until I was away from the threat.

If I was in my small car and trapped, the shooting would have started when they tried to open the door and beat on the window with the helmets.

If they were able to knock my window out, there would have been a sea of red and lots of dead bodies.

These guys that pulled this stunt, the stunta's or whatever they were, would have had a very different reception in Texas and if they picked me to pull this on.

The fact is, you have NO idea who you are dealing with on the freeway or what their. MIndset is. Or what their skillset is or what tools they have to reduce the threat.

If I am in my 4x4 . . . I have one of a weapon and I will use it. Unfortunately, that RR driver didn't reverse and back over that mob and extricate himself from the situation. He failed to use his number one asset. Even if he couldn't go far, he had them trapped just as much as they had him trapped.

I would have had some entertainment chasing that mob around the hole in traffic they made before they got me out of that truck.

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I watched it a few times.

Look like right after the dude brake checked the RR, and the RR stops, if you watch the video it looks to me like the riders are already trying to open the door and pull him out. Hence he took off. He was already being threatened.

And its in no way the RR's fault the first guy got hit. Look how close he was when he brake checked him!
Get out of here with that common sense . Dont you realize that we didnt see the whole thing so we cant know what happened?
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Suspended license or not, getting merged into, being rear ended, or anything like that is still the other person's fault.
No, there are circumstances that play into that...

If I cut you off and slam on my brakes and you hit me...it's my fault. the 'problem' comes in them proving that I did just that. Well before dashcams became as popular.
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LOL never said that.



Not falling into your trap again. You have a way trying to make emotional arguments factual, and have a way of twisting words around. Kinda like the media. oh wait...

You don't have to explain that one to me. So, i'll reiterate my original point: IF there was a single accident before the vid, and the bikes over reacted and started to attack immediately, then yeah, the got what they deserved. But on the flip side of that, IF the rover never made an attempt to stop after the incident before, then at least a charge for leaving the scene of an accident. But again, those are big IFs.
What ?!?! Menacing is a crime and it requires no physical contact. Assault is also a crime as is chargeable the moment a reasonable person perceives that they are being threatened. Again this requires no contact. You want to stick to the facts but you also want to speculate on what happened before the facts in evidence in order to potentially justify behavior that will never have any possible justification. You're making my head hurt.

You do know you don't get to beat somone down or vandalise their property for leaving the scene of an accident. You (or I) might want to and a jury might not convict you for it as a crime of passion but its still a crime.
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What ?!?! Menacing is a crime and it requires no physical contact. Assault is also a crime as is chargeable the moment a reasonable person perceives that they are being threatened. Again this requires no contact. You want to stick to the facts but you also want to speculate on what happened before the facts in evidence in order to potentially justify behavior that will never have any possible justification. You're making my head hurt.

You do know you don't get to beat somone down or vandalise their property for leaving the scene of an accident. You (or I) might want to and a jury might not convict you for it as a crime of passion but its still a crime.
I am referring to the portion of video we haven't seen. you're also only picking and choosing parts of my posts to respond to. you're causing your own headache. I already stated I think both sides acted terribly?

Did i say that i would have done what they did? or did you miss my thoughts on that too? yeah. slow down and read again.

but if not we agree to disagree.

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Though Mieses is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driverís license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said.

Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learnerís permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.

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I am referring to the portion of video we haven't seen. you're also only picking and choosing parts of my posts to respond to. you're causing your own headache.

Did i say that i would have done what they did? or did you miss my thoughts on that too? yeah. slow down and read again.
Perhaps I should type SSLLOWWER. The portion of the video we have seen is enough to show the bikers in the wrong on nearly every level. Do you really think the he would post them beating the guy down after they pull him from the RR or how they were breaking every traffic law prior to the incident? Trust me, the full vid will NOT be a help to the biker casue.

I didn't say or even suggest what you would or wouldn't do. I gave a scenario but for the sake or argument you may substitute the word "one" in place of the "you" 's if it makes you feel less conflicted.

I guess common sense ain't so common.
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