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Old 09-20-2013, 01:53 PM   #1
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Racers - Kawasaki Team Green Sponsorship is for real!

Since I joined the CMRA and started racing I have been on my 2009 Kawasaki ZX6-R and loved it. That said, since that bike is getting a little long in the tooth, I'm really happy that Kawasaki updated the package again for 2013, which made the decision about my next bike an easy one. Sweetening the deal is the fact that Kawasaki is getting very serious about racer support at the club level, and there is $3,000 out there for racers who want to put another Kawasaki on the grid.

Team Mancuso Powersports Southwest put together a great deal for me, and I will be happy to be wearing their stickers on my brand spanking new ZX6-R for the 2014 season. Special thanks to CMRA fast guy Carlos Lescale at Team Mancuso for his help in getting me such a great deal, and for walking me through the steps to secure my Team Green status!. Give Carlos a call and he will do you right.

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Thanks as well to Tom Anderson for all his help (as usual) and the creation of a killer racer resume!

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Thanks! While I am totally awesome , people need to know that this is not just a program for AMA racers. This seems to be a program to help "regular-guy" club racers like me put more Kawasakis on the grid. Great for me, because I'm a Kawasaki guy from way back, but any racers out there thinking seriously about a new bike should look into this program.
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Everyone wanting to superstock C next year should definitely jump on this!

(then maybe i can win on my 09zx6)
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Everyone wanting to superstock C next year should definitely jump on this!

(then maybe i can win on my 09zx6)
lol. interesting choice Kawasaki made not to bring in a ss-legal version for 2013...
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So you had to jump through some hoops to get that deal.
You have to fill out a few pages of Team Green paperwork and submit a racer resume. Not that bad. I think if you prove that you have been racing consistently, and make the commitment to do that the next year, you can qualify.

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Did you finance the bike or pay for it cash? Just curious
I paid cash, but the Team Green support is there no matter how you pay for the bike. I got a great price on the bike from Team Mancuso Southwest, but that price would have been the same if I had financed.

I thought hard about building an R6 which would have been Super Stock C legal, but with the $3K on the table, and the fact that already I love the package, I can live with losing one race on Saturday. The real fun with this bike will be making a run in the A and B classes anyway.
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There is a good chance the bike might be Superstock legal. It is homologated in the AMA for Supersport right now, and most other race associations have made it Superstock legal as it is now. From the dyno results I have seen, you have to build the bike to get any appreciable advantages. It has more low end and mid-range than the R6 and GSXR, but lacks top end with the much lower red line. It is a give and take bike for sure.
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It seems like everyone who is hard on their 09-11 zx6s has blown up the engine. I wonder if that has anything to do with lowering the redline from 16.5 to 16. , they even blew one up in the one of original reviews way back.
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i wonder if the same goes for off road racing
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It seems like everyone who is hard on their 09-11 zx6s has blown up the engine. I wonder if that has anything to do with lowering the redline from 16.5 to 16. , they even blew one up in the one of original reviews way back.
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The blown engines was due to the rods being to small. This has been corrected in the new 636.
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It is homologated in the AMA for Supersport right now, and most other race associations have made it Superstock legal as it is now.
AMA allows it in supersport with a 20lb higher minimum weight to counter the additional displacement.

CMRA doesn't currently have a minimum weight requirement in superstock C (restricted by displacement and mods, right?), so adding the 636 to SSC might be difficult at this point.

do you know, are the other club racing orgs that are allowing the 636 into supersport/stock requiring additional weight (or some other limitation)?
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Great news and all the best for your 2014 cmra racing season!!! Good luck!
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AMA allows it in supersport with a 20lb higher minimum weight to counter the additional displacement.

CMRA doesn't currently have a minimum weight requirement in superstock C (restricted by displacement and mods, right?), so adding the 636 to SSC might be difficult at this point.

do you know, are the other club racing orgs that are allowing the 636 into supersport/stock requiring additional weight (or some other limitation)?
You are correct. The AMA does tack on 20 lbs. to the 636 for the minimum weight requirement, but to my knowledge the other racing orgs do not, and they run the same Superstock rules as the CMRA, more or less. As I mentioned before, the bike does not have a distinct advantage over the other current class competitors across the board. Where it is strong, others are weak, and where it is weak others are strong. It is a give and take bike for the track. If the CMRA does not add it to the CSS class, it's no sweat. Just one less class to pay for!
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It seems like everyone who is hard on their 09-11 zx6s has blown up the engine. I wonder if that has anything to do with lowering the redline from 16.5 to 16. , they even blew one up in the one of original reviews way back.
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I guess I'm not that hard on my 09's engine, but it helps to be slow. It might also help that after the dyno mapping I knew that I had max power at 14.5 so except at TWS (Texas World Speedway) (in the right wind) I never really had to worry about spending much time above that.

As far as power, what I'm hearing (and feeling riding the LSTD endurance bike) is a bit different from what Jimmy is saying. Out of the box, the 636 (like the old 09-12) has a real advantage on the dyno. The first R6 that ever pulled my 09 zx6r in a race was a fresh build by Upchurch (darn you Dougie Fresh!). But an AMA build is what it takes for the other makes to match a stock Kawi motor with just a M4 and a dyno map.

One of the reason's that I'm happy about the 636 is that you can get AMA type power from a stock unit with a full system, some electronics and mapping. I like not having to crack that case to squeeze out more ponies.
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Here is a dyno chart that shows an EDR build they recently did. Max power is at 14K rpm, then it falls way off. We all know an R6 will pull up to the 16.5K rpm red line and do it strong. The torque curve is impressive with the 636 and shows that low end and mid-range is it's strong point. The 636 does have an advantage on the dyno as far as peak HP and torque, but it occurs early in the rpm range when compared to that of the R6. As I mentioned, it is a give and take bike.
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