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Old 09-18-2013, 04:00 PM   #41
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:28 PM   #42
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There's always golf...

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My first track day many years ago, I was on a VFR400R in rented leathers and red wing boots....I was lost as and embarrassed by how slow I was. First thought was "what the am I doing out here!?" Then I put my big girl panties on and tried it again. Been riding track days ever since; laughing most of the time while I am out there.

I'm still slow today, just not embarrassed or uncomfortable...and love every minute of it.

Give it another try, you may have just had a group full of asshats...or you're a pansie. Next time out will determine which it is. I figure it's the first option.

If not, at least be self aware and accept it.
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:41 PM   #43
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My 1st track day sucked. My cousins and friends that I ride street with and helped teach how to ride I couldn't keep up with on the track. Yes it sucked. But now I just ride my ride and I've improved. You will too. You'll see
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My first track day many years ago, I was on a VFR400R in rented leathers and red wing boots....I was lost as and embarrassed by how slow I was. First thought was "what the am I doing out here!?" Then I put my big girl panties on and tried it again. Been riding track days ever since; laughing most of the time while I am out there.

I'm still slow today, just not embarrassed or uncomfortable...and love every minute of it.

Give it another try, you may have just had a group full of asshats...or you're a pansie. Next time out will determine which it is. I figure it's the first option.

If not, at least be self aware and accept it.
You know this exact thought crossed my mind. Before I even posted .. hence why I waited a couple days .. was maybe I just got my panties in a wad. After hearing a few stories from this thread it may have been a little bit of both. After looking at the pics from the Blair I really I was like .... I need to get down I suck lol.

This thread has made me feel a little better. I mean I hear how everyone just loves the track so I was like how can I walk away with a "blah" feeling. Seems a few have had this feeling so I dont feel so bad at this point.
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My first track day I was nervous, didnt know wtf was going on and didnt follow the line. a buncha track days later now i still dont know whats going on and barely know the line but im not nervous anymore
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One thing I'd like to offer. Ignore the bullshit about "body position". I hear those "in the know" telling new riders that they need to work on "bp". Horse hockey.

No offense as it applies to me as well, but concentrate on proper lines and bike placement, then braking and accelerating smoothly. As you get faster, then you can work on body position. I see lots of new riders out that have been coached on body position and they look like Tron going in slow motion.

The first priority is to get comfortable and have fun, the other stuff will develop over time.

Good luck, I hope to see you out there.

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shouldnt he start playing with body position now though, that way he'll form a good habit so once he gets faster he wont have to make that new muscle memory? I think you should practice all that on a track day, line right now is most important i think. I wouldnt go into a track day and for the whole day not worry about body position or ignore it. I do get that what he's saying though about the "tron going in slow mo" hahaha.
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shouldnt he start playing with body position now though, that way he'll form a good habit so once he gets faster he wont have to make that new muscle memory? I think you should practice all that on a track day, line right now is most important i think. I wouldnt go into a track day and for the whole day not worry about body position or ignore it. I do get that what he's saying though about the "tron going in slow mo" hahaha.
First off, my disclaimer...I'm no instructor. But based on my experience, you don't need to be hanging off a bike with your knee down running 2:15's (plus) at MSRH. I generally go out and have fun for the first few sessions, IF I decide to pick it up and push myself, I find I have to adjust my body position (not very much) to make the turns at the faster pace. I truly think most beginning track riders are better off riding in whatever position is COMFORTABLE to them as they get acclimated to the track.

I'll defer to experienced instructors, but for me and those I have been around starting off, the priority was getting acclimated to the track environment.
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shouldnt he start playing with body position now though, that way he'll form a good habit so once he gets faster he wont have to make that new muscle memory? I think you should practice all that on a track day, line right now is most important i think. I wouldnt go into a track day and for the whole day not worry about body position or ignore it. I do get that what he's saying though about the "tron going in slow mo" hahaha.
My opinion: no. At a certain pace, good body position oversteers the bike, and you and up quadruple apexing things trying to hang off.
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My opinion: no. At a certain pace, good body position oversteers the bike, and you and up quadruple apexing things trying to hang off.
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These are my fav pics of the day ... again no knee draggin but I used every bit of track in that corner

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I gotta buy these just so I can compare to the next time.

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i remember like my 2nd track day i tried moving my body over more in a corner and it threw my off, i over steered the bike and ran off the track, actually i was going so slow i didnt really run off i just came to a stop on the side of track and looked around and then just kept going crazy oh moment going like 30 mph, but wouldnt it throw you off even more when you get faster?


and ! that really makes me think of how much ive improved since my first track day
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My opinion: no. At a certain pace, good body position oversteers the bike, and you and up quadruple apexing things trying to hang off.
I think a good start is just to get the shoulders and head off to the inside of the turn and the rest of the body will follow. So later when really moving around on the seat, you end up with a good body line parallel to the motorcycle and don't end up later riding with your off the seat but the torso and head left up over the tank. I see too many new riders worried about really hanging off the seat and forgetting about the upper body and being all crossed up.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:19 PM   #54
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I barely remember any bikes or riders from my first track day.
I do remember my experience was not nerves or me crashing.......It was two things.

I DONT KNOW THESE OTHER RIDERS
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How can I go as fast as that dude on A Level !?!?!

Even after 34 years of riding, I still get nervous riding with unknown riders.
I am not worried about going to fast, cars, cows, sand in the corners, I do however get concerned with unknown riders.

I dont like sitting on a shoulder waiting on a meat wagon, or explaining to the cops how some guy waded up his bike. I still worry about someone pushing it and taking me out with them.

Track days I grew more easy with it, street........I will leave a ride after 3 miles if I am not comfie with the group. I can kill myself just fine without any help.

If you keep riding track, You will develop yours skills for survival in urban commute

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My opinion: no. At a certain pace, good body position oversteers the bike, and you and up quadruple apexing things trying to hang off.
^This. I'm not a racer, not an instructor and I'm not fast, but I'm pretty consistent. I see no reason to hang off the bike in Lvl 1. Most people have no idea the effect that their head and shoulders have on the bike. When inexperienced riders get off the seat they're usually riding crossed up. If they're hanging off, slight head and shoulder movement has a HUGE effect on the bike. I see people hang off their bikes and freak out the second it starts to lean "too far," even though the bike isn't far off vertical. I really think that there should be more emphasis on head and shoulder positioning for new riders so they can get comfortable leaning their bikes.
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I think you need more seat time before you get to the track. Just simple easy riding ... Lots of miles... Then when you feel a little more comfortable and confident and the itch to push ... Hit the track.
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I think you need more seat time before you get to the track. Just simple easy riding ... Lots of miles... Then when you feel a little more comfortable and confident and the itch to push ... Hit the track.
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I think you need more seat time before you get to the track. Just simple easy riding ... Lots of miles... Then when you feel a little more comfortable and confident and the itch to push ... Hit the track.
Sup old man ... was waiting for you to chime in. The track did not scare me. I was actually pushing it and had to dial back a notch cause I blew the Bus Stop two laps in a row. So I backed down a bit. I was for sure attacking corners with way more confidence than I had a few days before when I went on a little forest run. So I will not stop my street riding by no means. I will not treat the street like the track either. I just put my mirrors back on the bike so its gonna be funny riding with them again.

I am kind of shocked the track did not scare me. I took to it like a duck to water .. what I did not take to was the asshats riding around me. Maybe I put myself in a bubble thinking that would not happen there so I will for sure take that out of the picture because it seems like they are everywhere.
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anyways Rowdy lets go the the track. I got defensive driving to take care of!!! LOL
But not TWS (Texas World Speedway) I hear.
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Sup old man ... was waiting for you to chime in. The track did not scare me. I was actually pushing it and had to dial back a notch cause I blew the Bus Stop two laps in a row. So I backed down a bit. I was for sure attacking corners with way more confidence than I had a few days before when I went on a little forest run. So I will not stop my street riding by no means. I will not treat the street like the track either. I just put my mirrors back on the bike so its gonna be funny riding with them again.

I am kind of shocked the track did not scare me. I took to it like a duck to water .. what I did not take to was the asshats riding around me. Maybe I put myself in a bubble thinking that would not happen there so I will for sure take that out of the picture because it seems like they are everywhere.
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