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Old 08-15-2013, 07:56 AM   #21
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See Mark is plugged into what teams are gonna be getting built!
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Great write up. When I started track days, I thought I'd never consider getting CMRA licensed. I like that I can ride my ZX6 on the street and track, and couldn't justify a track only bike. A 250 sounds interesting though.
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Great write up. When I started track days, I thought I'd never consider getting CMRA licensed. I like that I can ride my ZX6 on the street and track, and couldn't justify a track only bike. A 250 sounds interesting though.
It does have a carb... I know how much you love that!
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It does have a carb... I know how much you love that!

...but no synchronizing adjustment.
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Trey - don't forget the camaraderie of a day spent in the warm Texas sun corner working! That's a lot of time to talk. You learn a lot racing, young or old(er).
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Awesome thread. Thanks for the write up!!! I remember being able to at least keep up with some of these fools on their big bikes but now bc of this 250 madness I can barely keep up a corner. It's spot on, 250 racing is a freaking blast and soooo cheap!!!! Mark, Ryan, Joey can outrun so many of the fast guys now and not to mention that most his bikes are stock!!!! See you guys/gals on the 250 grid!!!!!!!!
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Awesome thread. Thanks for the write up!!! I remember being able to at least keep up with some of these fools on their big bikes but now bc of this 250 madness I can barely keep up a corner. It's spot on, 250 racing is a freaking blast and soooo cheap!!!! Mark, Ryan, Joey can outrun so many of the fast guys now and not to mention that most his bikes are stock!!!! See you guys/gals on the 250 grid!!!!!!!!
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When does Proasian Jr. Become a free agent? HalfFast wants to recruit him.
Caleb, Pandas are no bueno! Come with us.
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When does Proasian Jr. Become a free agent? HalfFast wants to recruit him.
Caleb, Pandas are no bueno! Come with us.
!!!! Don't tempt him. He'll probably go!
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Trey - don't forget the camaraderie of a day spent in the warm Texas sun corner working! That's a lot of time to talk. You learn a lot racing, young or old(er).
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When does Proasian Jr. Become a free agent? HalfFast wants to recruit him.
Caleb, Pandas are no bueno! Come with us.
Wait... Mark! Who says HalfFast gets him? BRAWP is definitely in for negotiations on that kid! He is so polite and talented! Don't make us have a good old fashioned Kung Fu brawl! Your Kung Fu isn't strong enough!
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Great read! Hey is there a website for the rules/fees and such? I'm guessing it has to be the Ninja 250 and not the new 300, correct?
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Great read! Hey is there a website for the rules/fees and such? I'm guessing it has to be the Ninja 250 and not the new 300, correct?
Old 250, yes. Here is what you need to do to race a 250 in CMRA:

Get rid of stock parts: 2 hours

removekickstand
remove headlight
remove taillight
remove rear license plate bracket
remove blinkers and reflectors
remove mirrors
remove handlebars
remove footpeg brackets

Purchase and install: 2 hours: $300 - $400

Install Woodcraft or cheap ebay clip-ons
Install Woodcraft rearsets

Manual labor: 3 hours

Grind down kickstand bracket if you a SEROUS and FAST
Tape over headlight opening with thick yellow vinyl
Tape over rear seat with thick yellow vinyl
Add numbers after clearing # choice with Nancy @ CMRA (after you take race class)
Drain fork oil, refill 20 wt to 110 MM below caps
Install 1/4 stack of washers in front fork

Fiberglass: 2 Hrs

Glass in the lowers to meet CMRA specs

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Spoon on a new R10 Bridgestone race DOT in front and a BT003 Rear from John Hutchison at SCRC.
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Old 250, yes. Here is what you need to do to race a 250 in CMRA:

Get rid of stock parts: 2 hours

removekickstand
remove headlight
remove taillight
remove rear license plate bracket
remove blinkers and reflectors
remove mirrors
remove handlebars
remove footpeg brackets

Purchase and install: 2 hours: $300 - $400

Install Woodcraft or cheap ebay clip-ons
Install Woodcraft rearsets

Manual labor: 3 hours

Grind down kickstand bracket if you a SEROUS and FAST
Tape over headlight opening with thick yellow vinyl
Tape over rear seat with thick yellow vinyl
Add numbers after clearing # choice with Nancy @ CMRA (after you take race class)
Drain fork oil, refill 20 wt to 110 MM below caps
Install 1/4 stack of washers in front fork

Fiberglass: 2 Hrs

Glass in the lowers to meet CMRA specs

Tires:

Spoon on a new R10 Bridgestone race DOT in front and a BT003 Rear from John Hutchison at SCRC.
True story. I have seen Mr.P, Sid, and Kris be competitive on a bike set up like this for an entire season!
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Old 250, yes. Here is what you need to do to race a 250 in CMRA:

Get rid of stock parts: 2 hours

removekickstand
remove headlight
remove taillight
remove rear license plate bracket
remove blinkers and reflectors
remove mirrors
remove handlebars
remove footpeg brackets

Purchase and install: 2 hours: $300 - $400

Install Woodcraft or cheap ebay clip-ons
Install Woodcraft rearsets

Manual labor: 3 hours

Grind down kickstand bracket if you a SEROUS and FAST
Tape over headlight opening with thick yellow vinyl
Tape over rear seat with thick yellow vinyl
Add numbers after clearing # choice with Nancy @ CMRA (after you take race class)
Drain fork oil, refill 20 wt to 110 MM below caps
Install 1/4 stack of washers in front fork

Fiberglass: 2 Hrs

Glass in the lowers to meet CMRA specs

Tires:

Spoon on a new R10 Bridgestone race DOT in front and a BT003 Rear from John Hutchison at SCRC.
Man good info! Thanks.

The only part I'm confused about is the fiberglass. Are you talking about adding a layer of glass on the inside of the lowers???
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Man good info! Thanks.

The only part I'm confused about is the fiberglass. Are you talking about adding a layer of glass on the inside of the lowers???
Yes he is. The lowers have to hold fluids... so since the street lowers are two piece you typically have to fiberglass them so they meet the specification.
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Ya, for a budget racer, glassing in the lowers is quick and easy for someone who knows glass.

For the rest of us, a set of new $350 or used $100 race glass is a much easier process.
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True story. I have seen Mr.P, Sid, and Kris be competitive on a bike set up like this for an entire season!
We run 2 seconds off the fastest race pace at most events. But I've seen KrazeKris podium (maybe win even?) F4 and ESS on our bike as described above. We had a handful of 5ths, a 3rd, and a 1st in CMRA endurance on it last year. Stock exhaust, stock motor, stock filter, stock shock, etc... Serious fun. We run about 2:00 mins at MSRH, 1:31 on the MSRC big track. This is mid pack level 2, 600, pace. It's all about corner speed and track / line reading.

On Trey's built Ninja 250 KrazeKris runs 2 - 3 seconds faster. This is John Brooms old beast, 2012 Endurance 1st place bike.

Jredford says it is junk compared to his fresh 1500 mile fully built race 250. I want to see how his super secret skunkworks team does on that bike in 2014. I'm guessing well to very well.

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Trey is smiling now that he is getting "faster and faster, slowly" and not pushing his skill and margin for error to the limit. A couple of more trackdays and another round of CMRA endurance and we're gonna see a whole new level of riding ability emerge from this 1st year novice. His points, while simple, are key. I'll add:

7. Get healthy, physically fit, and INSURED. Climbing off a bike crying and exhausted after 22 minutes of fun sucks. I used to do this 25+ pounds heavier ago. My secret...no sugary stuff for 18 months. I rode 2 hours and 15 minutes at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and felt great. This, without working out. Just being skinnier. Insurance on your body is a must. Helicopter rides are not cheap.

8. Come to the track prepped. I've heard this is possible. Never done it myself. I like to safety wire in the freezing cold and midnight dark, rebuild forks on pit stops, lose spacers, and clog fuel filters mid race. It all adds to the excitement.

9. Get plenty of rest. I've heard this is possible.

10. Avoid alcohol and partying on race weekends. I've also heard this is possible.


Lessons Learned the Hard Way:

1. It is easy to get wrapped up in the competition of it all. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and realize you aren't going to be competitive and you are only racing yourself out there. I struggled with this all season and it cost me.

2. Relax! It doesn't matter if you are slow as long as you have consistent lines. The fast guys will get around you and it is their responsibility to make a safe pass.

3. Ride your ride and enjoy. You get better through practice and seat time and there is no better way than spending an hour out there tweaking one corner at a time until you are happy.

4. Don't get discouraged. This goes back to number 1. I struggled with this because I felt I had to be fast to be out there on that track but what Mr. P was trying to tell me finally clicked at the last TWS (Texas World Speedway) event. This is for fun so have fun! If that means you don't want to be riding with your hair on fire on the edge of crashing then do that. But pay attention and learn! Just remember if you crash it costs money in gear, and you could possibly ruin the race for your team.

5. Always attend practice before the race... otherwise you will end up on the NASCAR track at TWS (Texas World Speedway)

6. Find people who are going to be supportive to race with. HalfFast and the BRAWP crew have been invaluable in technical help, friendship, encouragement, and tips. I would have quit without them and for that I am eternally grateful.
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