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Old 08-04-2013, 12:16 PM   #1
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I'm looking for some Ducati Knowledge.

I found a guy selling a 2000-2001 ducati 750 Monster. It's in decent shape with 23000 miles on it. How is the maintenance on these bikes? Are they pretty reliable? I'm looking for something I can ride longer distances with less fatigue than I get on a sportbike. Is that possible with these bikes? Guy wants $2500. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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What year is one you just bought Chris? Looks similar to yours without all the goodies.
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I text you some pics in a few. It looks like a fun bike but I'm with you, I don't know much about them..

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Great bikes! I have a 2003 monster 750. My friend previously owned it and has put 35k miles since new. As goes for anything, take good care of it and it'll take care of you!

Ergonomics feel great also, I commute 40 miles each way to work, and this thing feels WAY better than my R1. Just wish it had a little more umphhh in it, but all in all great for what it is.
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Fun bikes to ride, oil changes/regular maintenance not too bad. The valve adjustments are expensive and apparently pretty difficult to learn how to do. I'm sure Patrick, Sergio, or the like can give more specifics.

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I found a guy selling a 2000-2001 ducati 750 Monster. It's in decent shape with 23000 miles on it. How is the maintenance on these bikes? Are they pretty reliable? I'm looking for something I can ride longer distances with less fatigue than I get on a sportbike. Is that possible with these bikes? Guy wants $2500. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Between my wife and I, we've had 5 Ducatis - not including one that I had as a loaner from a friend that was on tour for several months.

Rule number one - THESE ARE NOT JAPANESE INLINE 4s. The maintenance IS a lot more involved, and is MUCH more important. Neglecting the maintenance on a Japanese bike usually ends up in it running poorly. Neglecting the maintenance on a Duc means that things come apart in an expensive and very dramatic fashion.

At least with that Monster, you get a Desmodue 2 valve motor and not a Desmoquattro. We've had a few of each. The two valves don't have quite as many inherent fatal flaws as the older 4 valves, but they still require belts every 2 years/12k, high quality clean oil&filter, valve adjustment BY A COMPETENT TECH (can't stress that enough - seen some work over the years), and letting it warm up for 60-90 seconds after starting it will go a long way toward keeping it together.

I LOVE Ducs, but none of the Desmoquattro or Desmodue motors are as reliable or cheap to repair/maintain as any Japanese bike. They are awesome bikes with character and soul, but they can also be a royal and expensive pain in the - particularly when purchased used with no real knowledge of how well it's been cared for or by whom. I've always performed all of my own work, but I have a formally trained technical background and have been working on cars and bikes my whole life.

If the prior owner can show you receipts and record that it's been properly taken care of and had belts and valves at or before the max intervals, no problem. Many times this is the case. If not, it's probably worth seeing if they'll let you get it to an expert that can pull the valve covers and at least do a quick eyes, fingers and feeler gauge inspection of the valvetrain to make sure nothing's WAY out of whack. If you don't know when the belts were last replaced or the valves were last adjusted, plan on doing it immediately after purchase. My friend Ron Barbani bought a 9k mile 916 when I was still living in Atlanta and decided to do a track day a couple of days after he got it. I told him to wait and let me take a look at it or at least put some belts on it since the owner had not, since it was under on the mileage interval (even though they were 4 1/2 years old). Belt on the vertical head snapped on a track day at Road A, and turned it into a boat anchor fast.

I've got one of ours strung apart in the garage right now for its 18,000 service. The heads/jugs/pistons are off and I'm doing belts, hoses, top end gaskets, valve adjustment, valves cleaned and lapped, plugs, air filters, setting the squish at 1mm and degreeing the cams to a 108 degree centerline. I've had this bike since it had 6800 miles on it. The prior owner had to have 5 rocker arms replaced under warranty at 5500 miles for the chrome flaking off. Probably a combination of assembly tolerances from the factory (common on the older ones) and ragging on it right after starting the engine without allowing for oil circulation and warmup. All eight have been fine on this bike since I've had it, but I run clearances a lot more specific and precise than the huge range that the Ducati service manual allows for during a check (I run .003"-.004" on all closers, .004" on intake openers and .006" on the exhaust openers and it's served me well over the years on my 4 valve engines). I run only synthetic oil, and change and inspect it (for metal flakes on the screen and in the oil) frequently.

On a DQ 4 valve, periodic rocker flaking is unavoidable according to some and should be figured into the eventual maintenance costs of the bike. I'm not sure I subscribe to it being THAT bad, but it's close.

The Ducs use Kevlar timing belts and not chains. The motors are not freewheeling, and turn into a boat anchor very quickly when they snap. Aftermarket belts on a 2 valve will run you about $100 every two years if you can install them yourself. I don't know what the dealer charges. If you set them too tight, you wear out bearings. Too loose and the timing accuracy suffers. Better too loose than too tight.

Not trying to discourage you, , I love the bikes or I wouldn't have had so many. Just don't think that they're low maintenance, and understand how ugly they get when they're not taken care of.

I found a crack in an intake valve (appears to have just been a stress riser from the center dimple outward - no external signs that show anything that would have damaged it). Glad I found it before it potentially came apart and took the cylinder, piston and head with it. at $155 for a new valve, I found a 12,000 mile 996 complete used head for $199. It was a great deal, but it probably never had a valve adjustment or proper maintenance. There wasn't a single rocker arm that I would use in one of my motors - most were severely flaked and trashed. Poor maintenance on these bikes is fatal and expensive.

Fortunately, mine's ready to go back together as soon as the new thinner base gaskets get here from Cometic on Tuesday

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Wow thanks CCH! I heard that the maintenance was a pain in the on those bikes but . I'm not saying you discouraged from buying it but you certainly opened my eyes on what it takes to maintain one. I'm going to go talk to him tomorrow and see what he says about how much maintenance he did on it.

What about the price? It seems like a good price to me like I said, I don't know much about them.
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Listen to cch, and buy an fz6/fz1/Honda599or919,or z750 etc


They will all last to 50k miles, with oil changes and possibly 1 valve adjustment.

Duce are great, not not cheap in any way
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Ok I'll chime in. I've had two ducs, an ST3 and a 900SS/CR. You, yes YOU can do the valve adjustments and belt changes all by your little self. It is not difficult, it merely involves a couple of specialized tools. There are videos and manuals available on the Internet so you can learn how to do it. Check out Desmotimes and California Cyclewerks for DIY information. Oil changes are no more difficult than any other machine.
Yes belts are expensive, and the maintenance schedule is critical, and yes it will cost a fortune if you lack the courage to get your hands dirty. That being said, the desmodue engine will last over 100k if you keep it happy. For $2500, even with a modest set of maintenance records I wouldn't hesitate to buy that bike. Oh yeah, buy a spare voltage regulator, they were a notorious weak point and will go up in smoke due to some shoddy wiring from the factory.
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