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Old 03-26-2007, 09:55 PM   #1
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E-bay misrepresentation, local seller

E-bay item 320096595523

I'm looking for a new bike and I like things that are a bit different. I came across this Triumph Thruxton, cafe racer style bike. It's a sharp bike!

The auction states "No dents or scratches could be found on the bike." Remember this quote, it is a copy and paste from the auction.

I went to look at the bike, it's in Texas City. The dealer was steadfast at the Buy It Now price. I quickly noticed a scratch on the right bar end. Then, the salesman pointed out some light damage on the right side engine cover. It is very minor but note, the SALESMAN pointed out the damage.

Then I noticed the right side passenger peg was missing. I asked the salesman if he had it somewhere, he said no. Then I noticed the right side riders foot peg and left side one were different. The reason being, the right side passenger peg has been put in place of the riders peg. The riders peg is missing.

After I noticed these things I was still interested in the bike but he was going to have to do better than that on the price. I could probably fix the damage for a minimal price. I asked if he was still set on the price in spite of the damage. We talked and finally I said all i needed was for them to cover the title and licensing fees, $149. He came back saying no deal, it's already at $5100 on auction (it was at $4500 when I got home later). I offered to leave my number if they reconsidered and he said there was no need.

When I got home I double checked the auction to see if I missed something. I noticed that all the damge is left out of the photos. BUT, the quote above is clearly false. I hit the 'ask seller a question' link and suggested that they accurately represent the motorcycle in the auction as it was no longer true that no scratches could be found.

They replied and said they would but, there has been no change. I repeated the action this time expressing the issues of fraud in the motorcycle community and I stated that I would be contacting e-bay if the auction was not corrected by morning.

I cannot find a link path on e-bay to report this sort of thing.

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Old 03-26-2007, 10:00 PM   #2
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BTW, here is the VIN if anyone want to run it just for kicks, it says clear title.

SMT920K125J230195
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Old 03-26-2007, 10:04 PM   #3
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Old 03-26-2007, 10:06 PM   #4
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You should have taken pictures at the store and then emailed Ebay showing them how the ebay auction did not represent the bike fully with photo evidence on your end.
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at the bottom of the page there is a button that says report this item click that and then choose ebay motors or vehicle related then choose prohibited(banned) items then other prohibited(banned) items.
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start another auction using the exact same title, use the auction to warn other buyers, set the auction for pre approved bidders only so that no one can bid. Just your way of getting back at the dealership.

start it with one or 3 days so that it will be close in the list to the one that is listed now.
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:09 PM   #7
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I live in TC, whawt dealership?
I can't remember the name, a small place. I put the e-bay number in my post so people could check it out.
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Old 03-26-2007, 11:17 PM   #8
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E-bay item 320096595523

I'm looking for a new bike and I like things that are a bit different. I came across this Triumph Thruxton, cafe racer style bike. It's a sharp bike!

The auction states "No dents or scratches could be found on the bike." Remember this quote, it is a copy and paste from the auction.

I went to look at the bike, it's in Texas City. The dealer was steadfast at the Buy It Now price. I quickly noticed a scratch on the right bar end. Then, the salesman pointed out some light damage on the right side engine cover. It is very minor but note, the SALESMAN pointed out the damage.

Then I noticed the right side passenger peg was missing. I asked the salesman if he had it somewhere, he said no. Then I noticed the right side riders foot peg and left side one were different. The reason being, the right side passenger peg has been put in place of the riders peg. The riders peg is missing.

After I noticed these things I was still interested in the bike but he was going to have to do better than that on the price. I could probably fix the damage for a minimal price. I asked if he was still set on the price in spite of the damage. We talked and finally I said all i needed was for them to cover the title and licensing fees, $149. He came back saying no deal, it's already at $5100 on auction (it was at $4500 when I got home later). I offered to leave my number if they reconsidered and he said there was no need.

When I got home I double checked the auction to see if I missed something. I noticed that all the damge is left out of the photos. BUT, the quote above is clearly false. I hit the 'ask seller a question' link and suggested that they accurately represent the motorcycle in the auction as it was no longer true that no scratches could be found.

They replied and said they would but, there has been no change. I repeated the action this time expressing the issues of fraud in the motorcycle community and I stated that I would be contacting e-bay if the auction was not corrected by morning.

I cannot find a link path on e-bay to report this sort of thing.

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AS IS - NO WARRANTY

This vehicle is being sold as is, where is with no warranty, expressed written or implied. The seller shall not be responsible for the correct description, authenticity, genuineness, or defects herein, and makes no warranty in connection therewith. No allowance or set aside will be made on account of any incorrectness, imperfection, defect or damage. Any descriptions or representations are for identification purposes only and are not to be construed as a warranty of any type. It is the responsibility of the buyer to have thoroughly inspected the vehicle, and to have satisfied himself or herself as to the condition and value and to bid based upon that judgement solely. The seller shall and will make every reasonable effort to disclose any known defects associated with this vehicle at the buyer's request prior to the close of sale. Seller assumes no responsibility for any repairs regardless of any oral statements about the vehicle.

There warranty info is a little messed up. I'd steer clear.
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probably nearly 1/2 the auctions on ebay motors for motorcycles and watercraft are scams these days.....be careful, and buy in person.
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They changed it. At the bottom the seller added the scratches, mentioned the missing peg and even posted pictures. Looks like you did a good job.
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that seems a bit exagerrated to me.
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Old 03-27-2007, 06:53 PM   #14
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They changed it. At the bottom the seller added the scratches, mentioned the missing peg and even posted pictures. Looks like you did a good job.
Yup, saw that today. I sent a second email to them explaining how I felt about scams in the motorcycle community and how people who but motorcycles usually do it because they cannot afford a car or are passionate about motorcycles. I told them i would contact e-bay if they did not correct the auction. I guess that got their attention.
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Yup, saw that today. I sent a second email to them explaining how I felt about scams in the motorcycle community and how people who but motorcycles usually do it because they cannot afford a car or are passionate about motorcycles. I told them i would contact e-bay if they did not correct the auction. I guess that got their attention.
news to me, if you can afford $6k+ for a new bike, you can certainly afford a used car. just seemed like a weird statement to me.
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yea i dont understand that statement either.

Good job on getting that dealership to change thier ad.
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news to me, if you can afford $6k+ for a new bike, you can certainly afford a used car. just seemed like a weird statement to me.
weird only if you stopped reading when the bold print ended.


look again.

"or are passionate about motorcycles"
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I think it was just missing a comma. Im not being a punctuation or anything LOL
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only if i wanted to put emphasis on the "or". I did not feel it was necessary.
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some people buy bikes and cars off ebay sight unseen, thats not very wise.

ive gone to look at cars that in the ad stated "no rust" and when i get there i immediately spot rust.
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