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I don't have a CHL and don't feel the need for one. 13 24.07%
I don't have a CHL, but feel the need for one. 14 25.93%
I have a CHL, but have never had to draw my pistol. 21 38.89%
I have a CHL, and have had to draw my pistol. 6 11.11%
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:19 AM   #41
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I just think its foolish for 1/2 the people that get their CHL....its like they are just doing it because they can or because they think its trendy.
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:22 AM   #42
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I've thought about this and still do.. would I really be ready if something happened.. say if in my car and someone runs up to mug me.. guns out already and mine is in my pocket or under my leg.. no way I can do anything..

I disagree on a certain level w/ ladies who carry. I used to fear that my wife if she carried would only have the gun turned on her because she was afraid to use force.. the guy would take the gun and use it against her. however people like my sister and mother who both carry wouldn't hesitate.. idk..

I def see what you are saying. won't argue

That's all I was trying to say....
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I carried for years before there was a "CHL", but got one when it was available.
If you're going to carry I'd recommend having one. If something ever happens where you need to use it, at least you were obeying the law by having it on your person.
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Old 03-28-2007, 11:19 AM   #45
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i should've added to the questions
"To those who have had to draw, what was the situation, if you don't mind saying", "Did you fire?", and "How many times have you had to draw/fire?"
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Yep I'm actually with Scoot on this one...

I'd rather HAVE and NOT need than NEED and NOT have
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i'd want one too if i needed it, but the conflict here is, is it really worth carrying a gun around all the time? That's what I'm trying to see w/ this poll; how many have actually had to use their gun, and why, compared to those who have them and haven't used them. Another relevant question I guess would've been 'how long have you been carrying?' I think just having a gun on you changes every situation a little bit. You're always going to be aware you have a gun, and I just think it would **** with my head, and probably other people's. WWJD
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I don't understand why having a pistol on your person would ever cause more drama in ones life unless you choose to put yourself in those kind of situations. For most people your life would be no different except in the time of a possible event where you needed to defend yourself and you should have decided long before arming yourself if you value your life more then the person who would harm you.
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i'd want one too if i needed it, but the conflict here is, is it really worth carrying a gun around all the time? That's what I'm trying to see w/ this poll; how many have actually had to use their gun, and why, compared to those who have them and haven't used them. Another relevant question I guess would've been 'how long have you been carrying?' I think just having a gun on you changes every situation a little bit. You're always going to be aware you have a gun, and I just think it would **** with my head, and probably other people's. WWJD
If you have not prepared yourself mentally then you are not ready to own or carry a gun. One needs to have decided on what consitutes the use of a gun long before purchasing one and definetly before carrying one. Otherwise you are placing yourself at more risk.
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I don't understand why having a pistol on your person would ever cause more drama in ones life unless you choose to put yourself in those kind of situations. For most people your life would be no different except in the time of a possible event where you needed to defend yourself and you should have decided long before arming yourself if you value your life more then the person who would harm you.
if it's their 'life' vs. my 'harm' then that's a tough decision...how badly would they harm me? I could take a punch to the face and not want to use a gun, but I don't know how I would react if I HAD a gun and was punched in the face. I'd probably be thinking about the possibility of them taking me down, getting the gun, and then maybe using it on me, and that paranoia alone might lead to me shooting someone. I don't think there are that many people running around trying to rob and kill people, there are some, yes, but like I said earlier...what are the chances you will really have to use it? What are the chances that it might cause you more trouble than it's worth? Issani is the only person who has shared his experience with pulling a gun, and look how it turned out for him.
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I've thought about this and still do.. would I really be ready if something happened.. say if in my car and someone runs up to mug me.. guns out already and mine is in my pocket or under my leg.. no way I can do anything..

I disagree on a certain level w/ ladies who carry. I used to fear that my wife if she carried would only have the gun turned on her because she was afraid to use force.. the guy would take the gun and use it against her. however people like my sister and mother who both carry wouldn't hesitate.. idk..

I def see what you are saying. won't argue
Your gun is nothing more then a blunt object if it is not chambered and ready to fire within a single motion. Training for what you decsribed is your best defense. Under pressure most people only react to how they have been trained. No training No reaction
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Your gun is nothing more then a blunt object if it is not chambered and ready to fire within a single motion. Training for what you decsribed is your best defense. Under pressure most people only react to how they have been trained. No training No reaction
I can accept that personal responsibility and training probably goes a long way in the appropriate usage of the gun for a lot of people, but my other questions still remain.
Also, I think there are probably a good deal of people who knew what they were doing, knew the law, and still went to prison after they shot someone. Laws are so tricky that CHL actually advocates Kill shots instead of wounding, I guess maybe because they say if you didn't try to kill the perp that you weren't really afraid for your life.
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if it's their 'life' vs. my 'harm' then that's a tough decision...how badly would they harm me? I could take a punch to the face and not want to use a gun, but I don't know how I would react if I HAD a gun and was punched in the face. I'd probably be thinking about the possibility of them taking me down, getting the gun, and then maybe using it on me, and that paranoia alone might lead to me shooting someone. I don't think there are that many people running around trying to rob and kill people, there are some, yes, but like I said earlier...what are the chances you will really have to use it? What are the chances that it might cause you more trouble than it's worth? Issani is the only person who has shared his experience with pulling a gun, and look how it turned out for him.
Well, it may be a punch in the face or you may be beat to death. Your choice but if you have certain responsibilities in life and this is probably your struggle currently then you may not be willing to take the risk of even being punched. Again, a decission should be made long before owning the gun. On a personal note I sympathize with what you are trying to understand. I did not own a gun while living on my own until I was 25. It was not until I had been faced with situations that put me in fear of my life that I realized that my life and the ones I love are far more important then any person who would choose to do harm to me or them. The decision became apparent immediately.

The way i view it now days is this. I am an extremely passive and mellow person most of the time and as a grown man I realize respect will get you alot further then anything else in the world but those who choose to disrespect me by placing me in a situation that could do severe bodily harm or cause death has already made the decision for me about how I should react. This could be very unfortunate for them but, the choice has already been made and they chose to make that decision. Now do I feel a need to carry a gun at all times. Of course not and the law also dictactes when it is legal for us to carry.
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I can accept that personal responsibility and training probably goes a long way in the appropriate usage of the gun for a lot of people, but my other questions still remain.
Also, I think there are probably a good deal of people who knew what they were doing, knew the law, and still went to prison after they shot someone. Laws are so tricky that CHL actually advocates Kill shots instead of wounding, I guess maybe because they say if you didn't try to kill the perp that you weren't really afraid for your life.
No sir, kill shots are not advocated. Stopping a threat is what you are doing and if you feel your life is threathened then you better stop the threat is how the law views it. Although you seem to understand that but have misunderstood what a kill shot is. A kill shot is usually considerd a head shot and is not how a CHL candidate is trained.
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No sir, kill shots are not advocated. Stopping a threat is what you are doing and if you feel your life is threathened then you better stop the threat is how the law views it. Although you seem to understand that but have misunderstood what a kill shot is. A kill shot is usually considerd a head shot and is not how a CHL candidate is trained.
I Know i read on here somewhere, from one of th CHL owners, that CHL taught them it's best to shoot for the kill to avoid lawsuits. I'm certain I read this.
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I Know i read on here somewhere, from one of th CHL owners, that CHL taught them it's best to shoot for the kill to avoid lawsuits. I'm certain I read this.
They misspoke then. Killing is against the law and should not be in your vocabulary if carrying a gun. They teach you to shoot center mass. Why? because this is the largest area to target. This is exactly how police officers are trained as well. Which they are subject to the same laws that an armed civilian would be.

Alot of your questions can be answered at this link including the stats of those who abused their right to carry and are now serving sentences.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../chlsindex.htm

but, ultimately you have a decision to make and that is how much you value your life from the threat of others who would do harm to you.
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i'd want one too if i needed it, but the conflict here is, is it really worth carrying a gun around all the time? That's what I'm trying to see w/ this poll; how many have actually had to use their gun, and why, compared to those who have them and haven't used them. Another relevant question I guess would've been 'how long have you been carrying?' I think just having a gun on you changes every situation a little bit. You're always going to be aware you have a gun, and I just think it would **** with my head, and probably other people's. WWJD
Therein lies your answer, given the situation, which is not guaranteed to occur- although I'm sure the probability ratio has increased over the last two years in Houston (blame Katrina)- but were it to occur you would be properly equipped to atleast address the situation. I do see what you mean though in that having a weapon affects the the situation insome way or another. I tend to believe that it increases the likelihood that a situation that would have otherwise dissolved, would in effect be escalated due to the carriers' increased confidence in carrying a pistol. This is not always the case, especially with more the mature folks, not compensating for something they are lacking. I DO however think that there are alot of folks that are enboldened by their carrying a weapon. Thing is, that is not enough for me to say that people should not carry because if someone who would otherwise rob everyone he comes into contact with, thinks for a second that you could be carrying, he may just be discouraged. The reason I say he "may be" [dissuaded] is because of the other percentage of criminals that would, rather than walk up and demand your money, simply walk up and shoot you and anyone with you in the back of the head quickly eliminating any threat you may have otherwise posed. I do think though that such an occurance would be the less likely of the two. In the end, I would rather have a weapon than experience either getting shot or going through a situation that could have been avoided due to my having a weapon on my person at the time.
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Your gun is nothing more then a blunt object if it is not chambered and ready to fire within a single motion. Training for what you decsribed is your best defense. Under pressure most people only react to how they have been trained. No training No reaction
The problem with most training is, much like an MSF course, it gives SOME people a feeling of being better prepared than they actually are:eh:
And I don't believe any firearms training prepares you for AFTER you shoot somebody........killing someone is easier said then done for most people.
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Therein lies your answer, given the situation, which is not guaranteed to occur- although I'm sure the probability ratio has increased over the last two years in Houston (blame Katrina)- but were it to occur you would be properly equipped to atleast address the situation. I do see what you mean though in that having a weapon affects the the situation insome way or another. I tend to believe that it increases the likelihood that a situation that would have otherwise dissolved, would in effect be escalated due to the carriers' increased confidence in carrying a pistol. This is not always the case, especially with more the mature folks, not compensating for something they are lacking. I DO however think that there are alot of folks that are enboldened by their carrying a weapon. Thing is, that is not enough for me to say that people should not carry because if someone who would otherwise rob everyone he comes into contact with, thinks for a second that you could be carrying, he may just be discouraged. The reason I say he "may be" [dissuaded] is because of the other percentage of criminals that would, rather than walk up and demand your money, simply walk up and shoot you and anyone with you in the back of the head quickly eliminating any threat you may have otherwise posed. I do think though that such an occurance would be the less likely of the two. In the end, I would rather have a weapon than experience either getting shot or going through a situation that could have been avoided due to my having a weapon on my person at the time.
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The problem with most training is, much like an MSF course, it gives SOME people a feeling of being better prepared than they actually are:eh:
And I don't believe any firearms training prepares you for AFTER you shoot somebody........killing someone is easier said then done for most people.
Very true. Even if you are financially prepared to deal with the outcome you may not be ready to deal with the psychological affects. This certainly swayed we away from guns in my younger years as an adult. Even though I was raised around them.
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