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Old 08-20-2013, 12:01 PM   #21
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Can you use a battery tender with this new kind of batteries?
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Can you use these on a Harley/Buell that's gonna shake/rattle/vibrate them, then expect a large amount of cranking amps too?
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for you guys that have them - how is the starting in cool weather as in below 50 degrees? Some of the FJR owners are reporting they don't like cold weather starting.
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Yeah, I am probably going Shorai for all three racebikes....
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for you guys that have them - how is the starting in cool weather as in below 50 degrees? Some of the FJR owners are reporting they don't like cold weather starting.
Lithium batteries have to warm up a bit when cold before their full starting power is available. See the video below. I know it's for Ballistic batteries but the same principle applies.

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I tried a Shorai on my 2009 R1; didn't have enough juice to start it reliably every time. I went back to a normal Yuasa. Cranks great. I keep both my bikes on battery renders.
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Not to highjack the thread, but do you guys who have tenders connect the battery everytime you're home?

Probably a good idea to have my battery checked since I bought it used. Vatozone/Advance/Oreily's okay for this kind of check?
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Not to highjack the thread, but do you guys who have tenders connect the battery everytime you're home?

Probably a good idea to have my battery checked since I bought it used. Vatozone/Advance/Oreily's okay for this kind of check?
Yes because I alternate between my two bikes. I have one tender for each bike.

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Not to highjack the thread, but do you guys who have tenders connect the battery everytime you're home?

Probably a good idea to have my battery checked since I bought it used. Vatozone/Advance/Oreily's okay for this kind of check?
Go to Batteries Plus+, they will test your battery for free.
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I went with shorai as well when I needed to replace the stock battery. I got about 5 yrs out of the stock, with no trickle charger. It was holding a charge down to only a few days when I replaced it.
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Maybe I missed it but I didn't see a reply to "can you use a regular battery tender on these batteries"?
Or the harley vibration question...
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Maybe I missed it but I didn't see a reply to "can you use a regular battery tender on these batteries"?
Or the harley vibration question...
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Battery tender, yes. As long as it doesn't go over 14.4V, which most charger maintainers do not. Only certain chargers with "desulphating" mode does that. When you ride your bike, the battery is getting charged, so hooking up a charger is no different.

Vibration I wouldn't worry about it. Lead acid batts have arguably more delicate part than LiIonFe batts. Besides, when you install the dinky shorai, you are gonna use the supplied foam pads to make up the size difference. So some built in isolation there too.
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I use the Ballistic 8 Cell on my CBR954 and my Kz810. I don't want to jinx myself, but so far I've been very pleased with the reliability. They also weight something like a Ibs or two, stupid light and very compact.

I have not had to charge mine so far, I know from what I've read they hold their charge longer and don't degrade like your normal battery.

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Can you use a battery tender with this new kind of batteries?
I researched this and you can find answers directly on their website. It states that you should not use a tender, which has an indicated use for the regular batteries. Lithium batteries charge differently.

However, you CAN use a battery charger. You have to check the charge though, so not something you can leave plugged in. The only other alternative is to buy their battery charger/tender, which will run you another $80 or $90.
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I researched this and you can find answers directly on their website. It states that you should not use a tender, which has an indicated use for the regular batteries. Lithium batteries charge differently.

However, you CAN use a battery charger. You have to check the charge though, so not something you can leave plugged in. The only other alternative is to buy their battery charger/tender, which will run you another $80 or $90.
This is not my understanding having read thru the Shorai site. Battery tenders are fine as long a they do NOT have a desulfation mode.
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This is not my understanding having read thru the Shorai site. Battery tenders are fine as long a they do NOT have a desulfation mode.
I stand corrected. Thank you.

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Q. Can I use Lead-Acid battery chargers or charger/tenders?

Yes. HOWEVER, you may NOT use a charger/tender if it has an automatic "desulfation mode", which cannot be turned off.

If you are storing your vehicle and want to check the remaining capacity, or you're a racer with a constant-loss system, you'll want to know how resting voltage (i.e. with no load or load under 200mA) maps to remaining capacity. LFX batteries should be maintained such that 20% capacity remains at minimum, as best practice. Use a good-quality voltmeter to check remaining capacity, and consider recharge whenever the battery capacity falls to about 50% remaining. Of course, if you get the Shorai dedicated BMS01 charger, you can just hit the "Store Mode" button and leave it to do the work for you.
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for you guys that have them - how is the starting in cool weather as in below 50 degrees? Some of the FJR owners are reporting they don't like cold weather starting.
I picked one up a couple of months ago for my FZ1 and it itsn't liking these cold mornings at all. I thought yesterday was a fluke, but I barely got it started this morning. Anybody else having issues?
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