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Old 07-07-2013, 09:45 AM   #1
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Motorcycles have a much higher fatality rate than cars

Motorcycles have a much higher fatality rate than cars, namely 38.8 fatalities per 100M miles,
over 25 times higher than the average.
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Accidents with cars play a significant role in this, but in my opinion, these stats are inflated due to reckless
motorcycle riders who ride too fast, who think they are on a track, who approach defensive driving too casually,
and who do not wear a helmet and proper protective gear.

Imagine how air travel stats would look if every Tom, , and Harry could get a license as easily as one can get
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...and how does that mean the #'s are 'inflated'? A 35-45 mph impact (or any) is
Inherently safer in a automobile vs motorcycle.
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...and how does that mean the #'s are 'inflated'? A 35-45 mph impact (or any) is
Inherently safer in a automobile vs motorcycle.
Yes, agreed, but I am not talking about the level of safety between a car and a motorcycle, I am suggesting many motorcycle accidents can be very easily avoided by riding sensibly.
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Yes, agreed, but I am not talking about the level of safety between a car and a motorcycle, I am suggesting many motorcycle accidents can be very easily avoided by riding sensibly.
I think we could say the same thing if people didn't drink and drive. Anybody know what percentage of automobile wrecks are alcohol related?
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Yes, agreed, but I am not talking about the level of safety between a car and a motorcycle, I am suggesting many motorcycle accidents can be very easily avoided by riding sensibly.
However the same applies to automobiles... thus it's not that one side is 'inflated'. Simply put a motorcycle is, inherently more dangerous.
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Yesterday I saw a guy on i45 south doing 90plus weaving traffic, no shirt on, and in a section near Clearlake where traffic can back up at any moment... I told my wife you see motorcycles are safer than you think, just look, this guy is still alive.

As for the stats by miles driven, if your looking at them quantitatively, they are bs. Of course the consequences are higher but really, who's keeping up you with the miles you ride?

When people ask i say, there's no such thing as a fender bender on a bike... And every crash is a fall. Even a crash at normal speeds is like jumping off a 5 story building if you hit something solid.
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Yesterday I saw a guy on i45 south doing 90plus weaving traffic, no shirt on, and in a section near Clearlake where traffic can back up at any moment... I told my wife you see motorcycles are safer than you think, just look, this guy is still alive.

As for the stats by miles driven, if your looking at them quantitatively, they are bs. Of course the consequences are higher but really, who's keeping up you with the miles you ride?

When people ask i say, there's no such thing as a fender bender on a bike... And every crash is a fall. Even a crash at normal speeds is like jumping off a 5 story building if you hit something solid.
that was me...i had to take a dump
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Motorcycles have a much higher fatality rate than cars, namely 38.8 fatalities per 100M miles,
over 25 times higher than the average.
stats

Accidents with cars play a significant role in this, but in my opinion, these stats are inflated due to reckless
motorcycle riders who ride too fast, who think they are on a track, who approach defensive driving too casually,
and who do not wear a helmet and proper protective gear.

Imagine how air travel stats would look if every Tom, , and Harry could get a license as easily as one can get
a MC license. Most pilots are serious and mature. If most motorcycles riders would approach riding as seriously,
these stats would go way down.

Ride smart, ride safe, and wear your gear.
I get what u are saying...you can buy a bike without a license, and get insurance (most of the time it is only liability so you can afford the newest 1k liter bike to look cool) and have no clue how to handle such a bike. Then you get on here see people post about leading a "fast pased ride"...while SOME members may know how to handle a bike and what their limits are, others do not and end up on RIP threads...I always see where these groups post gear needed but never a licens...Im guilty of riding like a dousche before but now reserve that for the track...I applaude Ivan and others who go out of their way to put meets together for people interested in track riding and Ride Smart for half off deals for newbies (among others)...Who gives a how many times 3090 gets re paved.....go to a track and learn...I have read more post for group rides when someone goes down compared to accidents at a track....
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I've wreck on the street and I've wrecked on the track. My street wreck resulted in bruises. My track wreck resulted in a broken arm and fractured ribs. The "track is safer" mentality is just a myth. Motorcycles are inherently more risky than cars and provided you acknowledge that risk every time you swing a leg over the saddle, you should have fewer issues.
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I've wreck on the street and I've wrecked on the track. My street wreck resulted in bruises. My track wreck resulted in a broken arm and fractured ribs. The "track is safer" mentality is just a myth. Motorcycles are inherently more risky than cars and provided you acknowledge that risk every time you swing a leg over the saddle, you should have fewer issues.
I will agree to a point...I think that the track is safer because you don't have to worry about on coming traffic, people crossing the road, blind curves that may or may not have trash in them (IE racers road) and you don't have to be so concerned about brake fluid in the middle of the road. Everyone is moving in the same direction and there are marshals to flag unsafe behavior..I don't think it's myth that the track is safer...but, it's only my opinion...
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Yes, agreed, but I am not talking about the level of safety between a car and a motorcycle, I am suggesting many motorcycle accidents can be very easily avoided by riding sensibly.
A lot of knuckleheads don't wear helmets. Not surprised by motorcycle deaths
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getting back on the OP topic...I do think that actually having to HAVE a MC endorsement on your license should be mandatory, I do think that you should start on a small cc bike to learn skills...Europe has a better record with bikes because they......LEARN SKILLS....It makes them all around better riders...How many Americans that race GP usually finish in the top 10.....Yes, bikes aren't the safest things on the road, but with gear, training, and pulling your head out of your a##, you will be more capable of getting out of a bad situation...

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I think the point that the OP is getting at, or at least the point that I'm taking away from it, is that there are knuckleheads that don't think about consequences, those riders are more likely to die. So though it's impossible to split it this way, it would be interesting to see those number if you could take out all the reckless drivers and riders.
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I think the point that the OP is getting at, or at least the point that I'm taking away from it, is that there are knuckleheads that don't think about consequences, those riders are more likely to die. So though it's impossible to split it this way, it would be interesting to see those number if you could take out all the reckless drivers and riders.
Yes, but it is a false conclusion. Yes, motorcycles have a higher fatality rate than automobiles, but that is not simply because there is a higher percentage of douchebags on motorcycles. I and I am sure most everyone here has seen more than his fair share of behind the wheel of a car or truck. The difference is that the motorcycle is inherently less forgiving in a crash, plain and simple. But, well duh, no .
That being said, I strongly support a tremendous increase in the amount of driver and rider education. Very thorough, very expensive, and required every five or so years. If people have to sacrifice to earn their driving PRIVILEGES, they will be less likely to risk them by driving like a .
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