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Old 06-26-2013, 07:37 PM   #1
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BMW S1000rr Owners.....Questions for ya.

Can you S1000rr owners describe any issues that you have had with the S1000rr, warranty claims/repairs etc etc and the mileage of the repair? Also the kind of usage of the bike..


I am starting to research the S1000rr for possibly my next scoot, but after reading some on the S1000 forums, it seems they have been plagued with problems all the way from the start.. Now I can see having some first year issues but....3 years in, I would expect they would have them worked out..

I know the bike's performance is outstanding, but for $17k, I would be wanting to assassinate people if my bike is having the kind of problems they are reporting, not to mention MONTHS in the shop for warranty claims...

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Camshafts breaking, valve springs breaking, clutch cable breaking, kick stand bolts falling out, engine vibrations, controls/switches, steering head issues, over heating, fuel leaks.. etc etc....

I like the bike but ...for that kind of money and the fact it comes from BMW, I would expect world renouned reliability...

I don't think I could give up my ole trusty gixxer 1000 for something less reliable that costs 3 times as much..

FWIW, my GSXR was a first year bike, its 12 years old, almost 17k miles and I have NEVER, EVER had one single issue....nothing, nada, zip...

Just looking for feedback from the local guys here that I know ride them hard...

Anyone up for a S1000rr discussion?
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:39 PM   #2
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A good friend has a 2011. Never had any issue other than than a light came on to throw a code. He bought the tool to re-set it. Cost him $200-$300. No issues as far as mechanical though
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I've put 2600 race miles on my 2012. Qualified for an AMA SBK grid, stock.. and I'm a big guy at 6'5" and 225#. The BMW and the new 11+ ZX10R's are the only bikes that don't really need motor work to run up front in the racing I do, this is why I bought mine.

I haven't had any of the issues you mentioned.

Here are my cons:

-The OEM quick shifter is actually called a "shift assist" and that's exactly what it is. It's not a QS. It sucks. I replaced mine with a bazzaz.
-If you run GP shift you're going to get a lot of false neutrals if you dont get a "direct shift pedal" from Sato, Gilles or Woodcraft.
-The oem traction control is not adjustable and its too intrusive with it on. I race with it off.
-The "Race ABS" is anything but that. I ride with it off otherwise it chatters under heavy trail braking.
-The 10-11 have geometry issues. You need about $2k worth of hard parts to get it to turn well.

I think you're a drag racer so dont you guys use air shifters or some ? So I dont think any of the issues would affect you.

There were some 2012's recalled behind a connecting rod bolt or something? Mine was post recall so it was good. I had the dealer derestrict it the day I bought it. I did 60 cool laps at MSRH and have been WOT since. I didn't follow the break in directions. I have seen (1) 2010, (1) 2011 (same guy) and (1) 2012 motors let go. They all followed the rules.

I've clobbered all my personal bests on this bike by several seconds. It's super fast.

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I've put 2600 race miles on my 2012. Qualified for an AMA SBK grid, stock.. and I'm a big guy at 6'5" and 225#. The BMW and the new 11+ ZX10R's are the only bikes that don't really need motor work to run up front in the racing I do, this is why I bought mine.

I haven't had any of the issues you mentioned.

Here are my cons:

-The OEM quick shifter is actually called a "shift assist" and that's exactly what it is. It's not a QS. It sucks. I replaced mine with a bazzaz.
-If you run GP shift you're going to get a lot of false neutrals if you dont get a "direct shift pedal" from Sato, Gilles or Woodcraft.
-The oem traction control is not adjustable and its too intrusive with it on. I race with it off.
-The "Race ABS" is anything but that. I ride with it off otherwise it chatters under heavy trail braking.
-The 10-11 have geometry issues. You need about $2k worth of hard parts to get it to turn well.

I think you're a drag racer so dont you guys use air shifters or some ? So I dont think any of the issues would affect you.

There were some 2012's recalled behind a connecting rod bolt or something? Mine was post recall so it was good. I had the dealer derestrict it the day I bought it. I did 60 cool laps at MSRH and have been WOT since. I didn't follow the break in directions. I have seen (1) 2010, (1) 2011 (same guy) and (1) 2012 motors let go. They all followed the rules.

I've clobbered all my personal bests on this bike by several seconds. It's super fast.

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Yes I used to drag race a lot back in the day but haven't in the last 2-3 years... I'm sure whatever I buy will go down the strip but it will be stock wheelbase so it will never run what they are capable of...

Interesting info you posted...particularly about the engines blowing. I had heard about the rod bolt issue and dealers retrofitting new rod bolts...(something I am not at all comfortable with)... IF I buy a BMW, it will be brand new... I am not real big on the 2013 colors, I'm waiting to see what the 2014s have for changes...

Also that's a bummer about the shift assist, I thought it was basically a quick shifter... I would end up putting an air shifter ram on it and letting the factory ignition kill do the work but it sounds like that may not be a good option if the shift assist sux... So Id be back to an air shifter/kill box..

But based on what these things cost (easily $17-19k otd), I'm not sold on them yet....mainly due to the issues I've read about.

I actually worked for a BMW dealer back in 01' and I often saw lots of screwy quirks with BMWs and their electric systems, oil consumption etc etc, but they were always pretty reliable as far as engine life and stuff... Pretty discouraging that they finally come out with a top shelf inline 4 power plant and they have a pretty significant failure rate..... 3 year warranty or not, I don't want to deal with a failure on a new bike and dealer kids tearing my stuff apart.

Also reading about trans issues..false neutrals and hard to find neutral from 1st.

Most of the killer aspects of the S1000rr I really wouldn't use... I don't do track days so I doubt the DTC would serve me, I wasn't even gonna get it. I did want the ABS and shift assist..

HMMMM.....
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I had a 2011 that I rode on the street only. The quick shifter worked fine for me. I had it set up for the GP shift pattern with vortex rearsets. I did not have any engine problems or other problems with the bike. The only issue I had was the Yoshimura undertail license plate light had a short and blew fuses before it was replaced. I rode mine in slick mode all the time.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:51 PM   #8
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For what it's worth, I have put 11 000 miles on my 2010 S1k and so far I never had a single issue besides few false neutrals .....and those could be from rider error ...
Rode it hard again this morning and never felt so in confidence with any other bikes....
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750 trouble free miles here. Honestly the threads on the S1000rr forums do not suggest there are many problems at all. Most owners seem to report no issues
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My brother has had both a 2010 (stolen) and a 2012. He's had a few of the issues listed above (oil leak, electrical, etc. on the 2010 and kickstand fell off/lost bolt, rod bolts, qs failure and electrical on the 2012) but still LOVES the bikes and would buy another....at least the warranty is better than the bikes if you do have a problem.

I have thought about buying one many times to ride to work and start doing track days but I just don't have the time. It would sit in the garage with all my other stuff I don't have time for...
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A friend races his 2011 (purchased brand new) and had issues with traction/launch/wheelie control acting up and also with the engine not putting down the power on a dyno that it claimed. The engine ended up eventually being replaced with a factory crate motor and no issues have occurred since then. No knowledge of what the issue was, but it could have just been a "dud" (sp) motor.
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Interesting stuff...

All manufactures and all makes/models have always had their share of bugs/quirks/issues etc...but typically by 3 years into a model, they seem to work most of them out.... It just seems that BMW has not been able to iron these out. Different sources report the same or similar issues ranging from the 10's to the 13's.

If this bike was in a similar price point to the 1000s, I could live with some issues and work thru them, but for $17-18k, I just can't get past the potential issues... And then when you talk about some of the high end options not being that great (shift assist issues and DTC/ABS), that was my entire point of buying a new, modern bike with all the gadgets..

Looks like I'm definitely gonna pull the reigns back on this purchase for a bit and see what shakes out for the 2014s.

No doubt I could buy a 2013 and work around the issues but for that kind of spend, I don't feel I should have to "live with" or "work around" anything.

I remember when busas first came out and cam chain tensioners were failing like crazy, taking motors out left and right. Midway into the 2nd year of them, Suzuki came out with the proper fix and put an oil fed tensioner on them.. Ofcourse the aftermarket had already came out with a bullet proof manual tensioner to solve the issue... That was really it for main stream issues.. Sure there was lots of little bugs/quirks but, nothing that left you stranded.

I never had any issues with my 00' Busa until I finally lunched the tranny at 20k miles and over 600 passes at the track... It had been 98% reliable. I did have a freak rear wheel bearing issue that caused a wobble in the bars at 45 mph that took a while to diagnose (myself, no dealer could figure it out). It wasn't until I got into turbocharging that I started having issues, and that was to be expected..

I have always had great reliability with my kawis/suzukis, and I would expect the Germans to be held at a higher quality, doesn't look that way though...
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Just out of curiosity, why not the zx10? You should look at what Colby from adams performance got out of his with a very short tune.
These are pretty strong with an ECU reflash to remove the U.S. restrictions.
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MMMM.. A couple reasons...

1) They cost almost as much as a S1000rr..
2) I don't care for the color combos on the 2013s
3) They don't have near the amount of techno gadgets the S1000rr has.
4) I don't think they are worth what they are charging for what you get.


I raced Dudewhrsmybike on his new ZX10, and though he put a pretty good spanking on my 01 1000, it wasn't NEAR as bad as I thought it would be, and the amount he pulled really began after 100 mph.. We only ran to 150 ish and he had about 5-6 bike lengths on me but was still pulling, and would have really started pulling hard after 160 mph but.... It still wasn't enough for me to justify the $15k... Not to mention Gary is probably 30lbs lighter then me or more.

If kawi came out with a zx10 in the metallic blue they had on the 04/05 zx10s (or 99 ZX9s)... I may be down for that.. But $15k+ for a plain Jane 1000 is way too much for me..
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MMMM.. A couple reasons...

1) They cost almost as much as a S1000rr..
2) I don't care for the color combos on the 2013s
3) They don't have near the amount of techno gadgets the S1000rr has.
4) I don't think they are worth what they are charging for what you get.


I raced Dudewhrsmybike on his new ZX10, and though he put a pretty good spanking on my 01 1000, it wasn't NEAR as bad as I thought it would be, and the amount he pulled really began after 100 mph.. We only ran to 150 ish and he had about 5-6 bike lengths on me but was still pulling, and would have really started pulling hard after 160 mph but.... It still wasn't enough for me to justify the $15k... Not to mention Gary is probably 30lbs lighter then me or more.

If kawi came out with a zx10 in the metallic blue they had on the 04/05 zx10s (or 99 ZX9s)... I may be down for that.. But $15k+ for a plain Jane 1000 is way too much for me..
Was this before of after Gary did his "wire mod"?
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