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Old 06-26-2013, 07:17 PM   #21
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Ontop of, not over....and knee puck isn't even touching so it doesn't count and is responsible. Plus I'm doing all the things in the movie right (I think? I watched over 2 years ago)
lol .. couple log trucks would have smacked ya in the head today tires were completely over the line
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Typical forum reader ... I have not posted anything that says I am going to crash ... I actually knew I was doing something wrong so I was taking it easy trying to figure out what it was ... this post was actually saying I came across what I was doing wrong which was fixation on the yellow line in the corner. I am not running into a corner and then trying to throttle through ... I am working on not using alot of brake so I have started gearing down and if needed use the brake then start my corner entry and roll on the throttle out. Not to sound like I am not taking your advice but its one of those I know what I should be doing but I was having a problem with execution. I found the video and I am going to watch it ... never to good to learn something.

Just dont assume because I mistyped what I was trying to say that I am on my way to wrecking ... at least not yet.
I said don't take it personal. Jeez.

But that says it right there. Your line should be set before the turn and you should already be on the throttle as you enter the turn. Not on the way out, not on the apex, the beginning.

What your doing is a common mistake WE ALL make when we start. It takes a while to get it but once you do you will understand how you are working with gravity and the throttle to use the corner instead of working against gravity in the corner and the corner working you.

Right now you're doing what your instincts tell you to do and they are wrong. We have all been there. Once you practice a few times, learn throttle control, delaying your turns, etc, you will feel completely different on the bike and riding will be a whole-nother experience.

Why I said it's better to learn the right way first instead of the wrong way and having to retrain yourself.

Watch the movie, twice, go ride and try the techniques, gradually getting faster and you will understand. Then you can come back and thank me for being a "typical forum reader". Anyone who has met me knows I am anything but typical, in any shape, style, or fashion. Thanks Aspergers!
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So where were you looking when you do U-turns?

J/K. Ride safe. Maybe you should re-read the MSF book?
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I said don't take it personal. Jeez.

But that says it right there. Your line should be set before the turn and you should already be on the throttle as you enter the turn. Not on the way out, not on the apex, the beginning.

What your doing is a common mistake WE ALL make when we start. It takes a while to get it but once you do you will understand how you are working with gravity and the throttle to use the corner instead of working against gravity in the corner and the corner working you.

Right now you're doing what your instincts tell you to do and they are wrong. We have all been there. Once you practice a few times, learn throttle control, delaying your turns, etc, you will feel completely different on the bike and riding will be a whole-nother experience.

Why I said it's better to learn the right way first instead of the wrong way and having to retrain yourself.

Watch the movie, twice, go ride and try the techniques, gradually getting faster and you will understand. Then you can come back and thank me for being a "typical forum reader". Anyone who has met me knows I am anything but typical, in any shape, style, or fashion. Thanks Aspergers!
Very true! Breaking old street riding habits is a pain... Well said.
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I understand the outside to apex and throttle out to exit but I was not being able to do that.
Never stated I am waiting to apex to start throttle ... I was having to roll off which yes made the bike very uncomfortable but never to the point I was going to crash because I was not pushing the corner to begin with. Hence I knew I was doing something wrong. It was frustrating because I want to go faster through the turns. But since I knew I was doing something wrong I was slowing down ... no need to lean but just counter steer but corner was cut short by my fixation=frustration on my part= not very fun going left. I was going slow enough the bike was safe to ride upright and just countersteer .. which is possible because it did not fall over or feel like it was going to. This is not fun .. and to me felt unsafe because anyone behind me would not expect me to be moving that slow through a corner unless they knew I was having problems and giving me space.

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Typical forum reader ... I have not posted anything that says I am going to crash ... I actually knew I was doing something wrong so I was taking it easy trying to figure out what it was ... this post was actually saying I came across what I was doing wrong which was fixation on the yellow line in the corner. I am not running into a corner and then trying to throttle through ... I am working on not using alot of brake so I have started gearing down and if needed use the brake then start my corner entry and roll on the throttle out. Not to sound like I am not taking your advice but its one of those I know what I should be doing but I was having a problem with execution. I found the video and I am going to watch it ... never to good to learn something.

Just dont assume because I mistyped what I was trying to say that I am on my way to wrecking ... at least not yet.
Here I am setting up my corner before I get to it .. slowing down taking my position before entry. I state here "start my corner entry and roll on the throttle". I was trying to expalin I am not dive bombing the corner but I am setting up my entry.

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I said don't take it personal. Jeez.

But that says it right there. Your line should be set before the turn and you should already be on the throttle as you enter the turn. Not on the way out, not on the apex, the beginning.

What your doing is a common mistake WE ALL make when we start. It takes a while to get it but once you do you will understand how you are working with gravity and the throttle to use the corner instead of working against gravity in the corner and the corner working you.

Right now you're doing what your instincts tell you to do and they are wrong. We have all been there. Once you practice a few times, learn throttle control, delaying your turns, etc, you will feel completely different on the bike and riding will be a whole-nother experience.

Why I said it's better to learn the right way first instead of the wrong way and having to retrain yourself.

Watch the movie, twice, go ride and try the techniques, gradually getting faster and you will understand. Then you can come back and thank me for being a "typical forum reader". Anyone who has met me knows I am anything but typical, in any shape, style, or fashion. Thanks Aspergers!
I am not taking it personal (ok maybe a little) .. just if you a giving advice (which is totally cool and I have no problem receiving) dont read more into what I have typed then assume I have done something I am not. Prior to today I was doing all kinda wrong and I knew that. I opened my post with that. It is just frustrating and hard not to become frustrated with your suggestions when you implied more than what I put out there based on what I assume many others do. Do I need a lot of practice .. yeah .. every time I ride I get more comfortable with my bike .. feel something new for the first time .. and have a little more fun with it. I am of the school of thought you can always learn something each time you do it ... that is what makes it fun. If you think you cant learn something .. you will learn it anyway and its usually the hard way which on a bike I can only imagine wont end with the best outcome every time.
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Never stated I am waiting to apex to start throttle ... I was having to roll off which yes made the bike very uncomfortable but never to the point I was going to crash because I was not pushing the corner to begin with. Hence I knew I was doing something wrong. It was frustrating because I want to go faster through the turns. But since I knew I was doing something wrong I was slowing down ... no need to lean but just counter steer but corner was cut short by my fixation=frustration on my part= not very fun going left. I was going slow enough the bike was safe to ride upright and just countersteer .. which is possible because it did not fall over or feel like it was going to. This is not fun .. and to me felt unsafe because anyone behind me would not expect me to be moving that slow through a corner unless they knew I was having problems and giving me space.



Here I am setting up my corner before I get to it .. slowing down taking my position before entry. I state here "start my corner entry and roll on the throttle". I was trying to expalin I am not dive bombing the corner but I am setting up my entry.



I am not taking it personal (ok maybe a little) .. just if you a giving advice (which is totally cool and I have no problem receiving) dont read more into what I have typed then assume I have done something I am not. Prior to today I was doing all kinda wrong and I knew that. I opened my post with that. It is just frustrating and hard not to become frustrated with your suggestions when you implied more than what I put out there based on what I assume many others do. Do I need a lot of practice .. yeah .. every time I ride I get more comfortable with my bike .. feel something new for the first time .. and have a little more fun with it. I am of the school of thought you can always learn something each time you do it ... that is what makes it fun. If you think you cant learn something .. you will learn it anyway and its usually the hard way which on a bike I can only imagine wont end with the best outcome every time.
Take your time, and prefect it. Track days help a lot, just too hot for me this time of year.
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Take your time, and prefect it. Track days help a lot, just too hot for me this time of year.
Track day is in the plans .. waiting for Fastline to see if they are going to have any dates open up before September .. if not will try to do a Ride Smart. Fastline suggestion came from people stating LV1 little more geared to noobs because they go over the track more (more round robin) than Ride Smart but not saying Ride Smart was not safe or bad for noobs. Just liked what I heard from their first experience being with Fastline and think it would fit me better.
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Track day is in the plans .. waiting for Fastline to see if they are going to have any dates open up before September .. if not will try to do a Ride Smart. Fastline suggestion came from people stating LV1 little more geared to noobs because they go over the track more (more round robin) than Ride Smart but not saying Ride Smart was not safe or bad for noobs. Just liked what I heard from their first experience being with Fastline and think it would fit me better.
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Track day is in the plans .. waiting for Fastline to see if they are going to have any dates open up before September .. if not will try to do a Ride Smart. Fastline suggestion came from people stating LV1 little more geared to noobs because they go over the track more (more round robin) than Ride Smart but not saying Ride Smart was not safe or bad for noobs. Just liked what I heard from their first experience being with Fastline and think it would fit me better.
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Brain overload ... just watched that video ... will for sure have to watch it multiple times ... i am ADD so retention is not always the best the first time.
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You're over thinking it. Keep it simple and stay in the turn. Dont go over yellow line.

Should flow like water as much as possible. (bruce lee philosphy).. Smooth small incremental moves.
Yeah that was my problem ... the whole start to the thread ... I was thinking about the line .. watching the line ... now its just to remember to look through the turn and just get a good entry so I do not have to worry about the line (in the correct order of course
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Glad you were able to interpret the art of cornering
Now you will be able to perfect it and soak in more technical techniques
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The bike follows your eyes. If you look at the ditch, the bike is like, "well, I guess he wants to go in the ditch, weeeeeeeee!"
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The bike follows your eyes. If you look at the ditch, the bike is like, "well, I guess he wants to go in the ditch, weeeeeeeee!"
Is that how it happened?
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Is that how it happened?
My crash? Nope. I've been on that same turn many times riding the exact same way I always did. I believe it was a front tire issue. It just let go. I was still looking through the turn while I was sliding on my side, lol
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Brain overload ... just watched that video ... will for sure have to watch it multiple times ... i am ADD so retention is not always the best the first time.
Now that you've got the information, focus on smoothness. That means take it slow and work only on your technique. Don't work on being fast. Get to the point that you are smoothly executing your inputs on the motorcycle, without conscious thought. Once you're comfortable and smooth, you'll find it very easy to go fast when appropriate. Also, you'll act appropriately in an emergency and not chop the brakes or throttle.
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The bike follows your eyes. If you look at the ditch, the bike is like, "well, I guess he wants to go in the ditch, weeeeeeeee!"
Perfect example; watch the end of the video I posted of Longdraw on his ZX10 getting introduced to the Dragon.

It is a good habit to get into; not just the eyes but turn the entire head and upper body into the corner, and look as far as you can down the road.

Looking farther also "slows" down the road in your perception.

Only drawback for street riders is you may miss a hazard in the road up closer. So you really need to train your eyes to scan from the distance back to in front of you and then back out.

If you practice keeping your eyes moving, and never focus for more than a beat on any particular spot, you will find that ignoring oncoming cars, yellow line, guardrails, etc. will become much easier. You will also amaze yourself with what you start noticing.
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