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Old 06-16-2013, 08:46 PM   #1
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AMA vs MotoGP

Rewatching Elhart Lake AMA race from warmer this month. Is it me, or is the track not as wide ad MotoGP tracks? It also seems that the bikes are closer to street versions than MotoGP.

Last question does AMA lead to MotoGP or are they seen as being equivalent to reach other?
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Dude, comparing MotoGO AMA isnt even close. GP tracks are much wider, longer and just bigger. The only track in this part of the world that can really handle GP bikes is COTA.

Really cant compare the 2, AMA is actually production modified bikes where GP bikes are 100 percent prototypes with crazy power to weight ratios and very sophisticated electronics.

I am sure more will chime in to explain more in depth the vast differences between the 2. They are more different than alike in my opinion.
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Dude, comparing MotoGO AMA isnt even close. GP tracks are much wider, longer and just bigger. The only track in this part of the world that can really handle GP bikes is COTA.
So they shouldn't ride Laguna and Indy?
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So they shouldn't ride Laguna and Indy?
Of course they should, especially Laguna. What makes the Laguna race so fun to watch is that there is nowhere on that track to truly run a GP bike wide open or to its fullest potential which makes it way more technical for the rider and way more fun to watch for me.

Kinda like Bristol Motor Speedway with NASCAR, no way in that track comes close to truly being able to handle those beast of cars but thats what makes it the only NASCAR race I will watch.
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Ok, so my mind it's not playing tricks on me then, the tracks are definitely narrower.
Now that being said, shouldn't the difficulty be about the same? Less powerful bikes narrower tracks. More powerful bike wider tracks.
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Honestly bikes aren't really a big concern when these tracks are built. They are built for cars. Cars bring in more cash than motos.
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Honestly bikes aren't really a big concern when these tracks are built. They are built for cars. Cars bring in more cash than motos.
So what are the differences in cars between the MotoGP tracks and AMA tracks?

I don't watch car racing, except for the occasional formula 1 race.
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Honestly bikes aren't really a big concern when these tracks are built. They are built for cars. Cars bring in more cash than motos.
But MotoGP bikes are built in a manner that only F1 tracks are the only truly suitable ones for them.
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So what are the differences in cars between the MotoGP tracks and AMA tracks?

I don't watch car racing, except for the occasional formula 1 race.

MotoGP usually runs on Formula 1 tracks that's why you hear announcers talking about how the cars cause the track to become bumpy. WSBK bikes usually follow tracks that run LeMans style racing and some GP tracks. AMA tracks, to me, sometimes look like they are made in some farmers back field.
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f1 requires new tracks to capture new markets, MGP under lots of pressure to do the same and follow them around.

So there are decades of time past in comparisons to places like road America, mid Ohio, etc. Even still America's track were state of the art in their heyday, but it was decades ago in the CanAm, or more recents even the IMSA GTP series.

Now the F1 tracks are designed by one guy who has a defacto monoploy on it and for whatever reason finds pleasure in wasting millions of others people money making mundane layouts designed on computer, aiming to have the longest straight ever followed by hairpin or 90 deg turn, all perfectly laid out in autocad.

Because of this in cars or bikes the better tracks are the older ones. The even better ones for bikes are those which don't have an f1 race.
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Exactly, almost all of them are designed by Herman Tilke, and then MotoGp is given a lot of incentives to bring their show to town. AMA runs a lot of American Historical Tracks, tracks that mean a lot to this country, it's a domestic product.

MotoGp is an international product, makes a few stops here at the best of the best tracks we have to offer.
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f1 requires new tracks to capture new markets, MGP under lots of pressure to do the same and follow them around.

So there are decades of time past in comparisons to places like road America, mid Ohio, etc. Even still America's track were state of the art in their heyday, but it was decades ago in the CanAm, or more recents even the IMSA GTP series.

Now the F1 tracks are designed by one guy who has a defacto monoploy on it and for whatever reason finds pleasure in wasting millions of others people money making mundane layouts designed on computer, aiming to have the longest straight ever followed by hairpin or 90 deg turn, all perfectly laid out in autocad.

Because of this in cars or bikes the better tracks are the older ones. The even better ones for bikes are those which don't have an f1 race.


I kind of like the Portimao track in Portugal. Donnington isn't bad either. As far as MotoGP goes I really like the Qatar race. Something about how those lights reflect off the bike makes it really cool to watch.
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Of course they should, especially Laguna. What makes the Laguna race so fun to watch is that there is nowhere on that track to truly run a GP bike wide open or to its fullest potential which makes it way more technical for the rider and way more fun to watch for me.

Kinda like Bristol Motor Speedway with NASCAR, no way in that track comes close to truly being able to handle those beast of cars but thats what makes it the only NASCAR race I will watch.
I'll watch NASCAR if they ever race Watkins glen again
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I kind of like the Portimao track in Portugal. Donnington isn't bad either. As far as MotoGP goes I really like the Qatar race. Something about how those lights reflect off the bike makes it really cool to watch.
Those are great and by no mistake were not Tilke designed.

COTA was only a good race because Marquez won. I think if Lorenzo or pedrosa won it would have been boring for the world press and most people.
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Moto GP bikes have 240+ horsepower and weight about 352 pounds. They could be lighter but the minimum is 160kg which helps keep cost down. AMA production based superbikes are likey a little heavier in weight and not near the horsepower.
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Moto GP bikes have 240+ horsepower and weight about 352 pounds. They could be lighter but the minimum is 160kg which helps keep cost down. AMA production based superbikes are likey a little heavier in weight and not near the horsepower.


I think I've read that Josh Hayes bike is around 220hp at the wheel. To squeeze even that much out of an engine and remain within regulations must be a
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AMA caliber bikes like they said are off the showroom with basically full blown race motors and the best stuff you can buy on the market. probably around $50-75k per bike i'd imagine. the bikes put down like they said lower 200's to the tire.

Moto GP bikes IE Stephen Bradl's bike has reportedly over 250+hp to the tire. those bikes use carbon fiber plastics all kinds of titanium bolts and nuts. prototype chasis suspension carbon brakes. etc. MotoGP bikes by the time they are completed and race ready with all the developement that goes into them before they are ready is somewhere in the neighborhood of a few MILLION$$.

like example the quality of rider and technology can't really be in the same class. Blake Young who is doing a kickass job in AMA raced in the MotoGP race at COTA. he was backed by a honda team unsure of exactly what his bike was or if he was on a CRT machine? but i think he was putting down 2:17 lap times and Marquez was doing what like 2:02's or 2:01s? how do you find 16 secs on a fulllllllly built race bike when your already that fast. Those guys in AMA are helllllllllllllllllllllllla good riders but dont hold a candle to the class of riders in motogp.
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