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Old 06-17-2013, 03:54 PM   #41
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I have to wonder if the optimum crankcase oil volume isn't simply calculated after the general engine design. I can't imagine there's going to be much internal redesign to tweak the volume by +/- 0.2L ...
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Old 06-17-2013, 04:07 PM   #42
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Are you saying I am not smart enough to understand? If you are your an idiot. If you were not referring to me then use more generic terms ad STFU
Hahaha, ill use more generic terms next time. didnt mean to hurt your feelings
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Old 06-17-2013, 04:12 PM   #43
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I have to wonder if the optimum crankcase oil volume isn't simply calculated after the general engine design. I can't imagine there's going to be much internal redesign to tweak the volume by +/- 0.2L ...
that's why they need weep holes to set oil height!

come on people! help my campaign! No More Measuring!
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Old 06-17-2013, 07:09 PM   #44
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Hahaha, ill use more generic terms next time. didnt mean to hurt your feelings
Well given the history one has to wonder. Were, er We're good.

Can not argue with the no measuring. KISS
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Well given the history one has to wonder. Were, er We're good.

Can not argue with the no measuring. KISS
haha i could care less about the past. its the forums... everyone screws around here and there. never take this place seriously.

you were nice in person, so idc.
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I have forgotten 3 times to get angled valve stems while having tires changed.
PITA to use any type of dial air gauge... only the pencil ones work. But I'm not a track racer or street terrorizor, so I don't worry about the exact lb-age.

Horns... I've debated adding a second... but I honestly react with the throttle and hands on the bars, not thumb on the horn.

Metric vs SAE... eh, I was taught both. Both are familiar and easy enough from a consumer point of view. Engineering, I could see metric being easier. Maybe they should just design in matric, then convert. Oh wait...

There are plenty of dealer mechanics who will only buy metric or SAE depending on what their car manufacturer uses.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:27 AM   #47
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Ive often wondered why they dont make some sort of frame sliders come from the factory.

I mean, seriously, why should i have to cut the fairings to put on good sliders. These arent a new idea. Seems like something that they could factor in to the design of the bike.
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Old 06-18-2013, 07:59 AM   #48
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Ill add to the list.

1) Put a good looking stock pipe on the bike. They can still restrict the out of it..quiet and meets emissions but make one that could stay on the bike without the owner being compelled to change for the sake of aesthetics.

2) Those hideous rear fenders: I think those are the result of some law; however, make the ugly son of a "quick and easy detach" either for track days or because 95% of every bike owner mods or removes them.

3) Every bike manufacturer should offer a suspension set up for the purchaser at the dealership as part of the sale. Its a safety issue as well as making their bike perform better for the customer.
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Yes and no on the oil.
Engineers determine the optimum amount of oil in metric units...then convert that to quarts. Often times that results in a funky measurement in quarts that is annoying for us.
it would be a much simpler world if we only sold oil in Liter bottles with only metric graduations on the bottle so if you needed 3.5L of oil......3.5 bottles of oil without the english conversion bullshit. Also motorcycle manuals would be much simplified using only metric measurements.
From what I've seen, the liter numbers don't carry any more significance than the US Qt numbers. Below is what the SV1000 calls for. The capacity was determined by the engine design (oil cooler, oil sump size/shape, etc.). Whatever that is... is, regardless of what unit you measure.

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Old 06-18-2013, 08:49 AM   #50
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From what I've seen, the liter numbers don't carry any more significance than the US Qt numbers. Below is what the SV1000 calls for. The capacity was determined by the engine design (oil cooler, oil sump size/shape, etc.). Whatever that is... is, regardless of what unit you measure.

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So in your example below, a filter change requires 2.9L of oil.

I never wanted to impress to anyone that I believed that metric measurements yielded even numbers and were only odd when converted to english.
What I am saying is that ditch the piece of english measurement....sell Liter bottles of oil...not Quart bottles that also have metric graduations...just Liter bottles so that in the 2.9L example above...I buy 3 Liters of oil and leave a tenth in the third bottle. Easy.
But I use 3.1Q for the same oil change? Dumb that none of us should even have to think about. Same oil volume but just a pain in the that we should not deal with.
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Another solution is to do an oil change without filter change - voila! - 2.9 Qts. Plus I save money on the filter too.

For guys living in the UK or Australia, they should do an engine overhaul on every oil change - presto! - 2.9 Imperial Qts.


Hmm... maybe they do have this whole thing figured out.
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Another solution is to do an oil change without filter change - voila! - 2.9 Qts. Plus I save money on the filter too.

For guys living in the UK or Australia, they should do an engine overhaul on every oil change - presto! - 2.9 Imperial Qts.


Hmm... maybe they do have this whole thing figured out.
But shouldn't you change the oil filter each time you change the oil? There will be some nasty oil in there.

Blanco good suggestions.

Include frame sliders, that would be a plus for the insurance company as well. It is similar to a 5mph bumper. All cars need em and the incremental cost would not be much.
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Glenn, I was marveling at the fact that there is a "2.9" in all three lines of those specs. Must be a Davinci Code embedded by the engineers that points to some profound meaning of the Zen of motorcycle maintenance.

Okay, since it's a Japanese bike, maybe it's Matsushita Code.
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Glenn, I was marveling at the fact that there is a "2.9" in all three lines of those specs. Must be a Davinci Code embedded by the engineers that points to some profound meaning of the Zen of motorcycle maintenance.

Okay, since it's a Japanese bike, maybe it's Matsushita Code.
Twenty-Nine is a prime number. That was a brilliant observation though.
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