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Old 06-16-2013, 09:49 PM   #21
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What is the big need for angled valve stems? Seems everybody about it but I don't think I have ever had an issue with valve stems
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What is the big need for angled valve stems? Seems everybody about it but I don't think I have ever had an issue with valve stems
With the big front brake rotors some bikes have, it is a very cheap added convenience.
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I put angled valve stems on every one of my bikes (except the C14, which has TPMS sensors) on the first tire change.

As for the 2.9Qt... it has little to do with metric system. Engineering is optimization. If the engineers determined 2.9Qt to be the optimum amount, why spec a drop more? Do you think Ducati engineers should throw a few more ingots of aluminum on the Panigale to make it an even 400 lbs?

Anybody can build a machine that is strong enough; a good engineer builds one that is just strong enough. Proper margins of safety taken into due consideration, of course.
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Are you saying I am not smart enough to understand? If you are your an idiot. If you were not referring to me then use more generic terms ad STFU
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I put angled valve stems on every one of my bikes (except the C14, which has TPMS sensors) on the first tire change.

As for the 2.9Qt... it has little to do with metric system. Engineering is optimization. If the engineers determined 2.9Qt to be the optimum amount, why spec a drop more? Do you think Ducati engineers should throw a few more ingots of aluminum on the Panigale to make it an even 400 lbs?

Anybody can build a machine that is strong enough; a good engineer builds one that is just strong enough. Proper margins of safety taken into due consideration, of course.
Finally somebody got the thread back on subject.

Interesting analysis on the subject. And I think you hit the nail on the head with your reasoning. So what your saying is (in my analysis) that it's ok to say it and add that last .1
If 2.9 is just right...........that tiny bit extra couldn't hurt. Right.

But back to your manufacturers rant......I have a Dodge Duranago. Curious thing about it is with the ignition on Accessory. I can run the windshield wipers, but the doors electric windows don't work............ Yep I can get a clear picture of the rain coming down, I just can't stop the from coming in without flipping the switch.

Now back to the metric system. As the world around us changes faster and faster...........Our government grinds ever more closer to a complete halt. Those idiots will never get the conversion complete.
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Now if the mfr specs it for 3.1Qts, then I think you have a valid gripe of having to buy 4 Qt bottle, just for that 0.1Qt more.
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I put angled valve stems on every one of my bikes (except the C14, which has TPMS sensors) on the first tire change.

As for the 2.9Qt... it has little to do with metric system. Engineering is optimization. If the engineers determined 2.9Qt to be the optimum amount, why spec a drop more? Do you think Ducati engineers should throw a few more ingots of aluminum on the Panigale to make it an even 400 lbs?

Anybody can build a machine that is strong enough; a good engineer builds one that is just strong enough. Proper margins of safety taken into due consideration, of course.
Yes and no on the oil.
Engineers determine the optimum amount of oil in metric units...then convert that to quarts. Often times that results in a funky measurement in quarts that is annoying for us.
it would be a much simpler world if we only sold oil in Liter bottles with only metric graduations on the bottle so if you needed 3.5L of oil......3.5 bottles of oil without the english conversion bullshit. Also motorcycle manuals would be much simplified using only metric measurements.
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Your right
You both read that wrong (grsa being the second)

Go back and read it again, yeah it's not worded in the best way possible but he clearly was siding with the op?
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The US already tried the metric system in the mid 70's. Really a mess with Chevys and Fords having mm. Kind of a "Does she or doesn't she?" Don't remember when we scratched it, did not take long.
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What is the big need for angled valve stems? Seems everybody about it but I don't think I have ever had an issue with valve stems
Rael hit the nail on the head with this one.

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With the big front brake rotors some bikes have, it is a very cheap added convenience.
I guess when bike had drum brakes it didn't matter. Again this is one of those things that you have to wonder if the engineers actually ride.

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Now if the mfr specs it for 3.1Qts, then I think you have a valid gripe of having to buy 4 Qt bottle, just for that 0.1Qt more.
IF you have old triumph you need the extra, but nowadays not so much.

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Yes and no on the oil.
Engineers determine the optimum amount of oil in metric units...then convert that to quarts. Often times that results in a funky measurement in quarts that is annoying for us.
it would be a much simpler world if we only sold oil in Liter bottles with only metric graduations on the bottle so if you needed 3.5L of oil......3.5 bottles of oil without the english conversion bullshit. Also motorcycle manuals would be much simplified using only metric measurements.
Most of the quarts do have a the metric measurement so either way we should be good.

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You both read that wrong (grsa being the second)
Go back and read it again, yeah it's not worded in the best way possible but he clearly was siding with the op?
I don't think we read that wrong but that's just me.
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screw measuring oil. All manufacturers should have overflow weep holes in the case to set the oil level height.
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I put angled valve stems on every one of my bikes (except the C14, which has TPMS sensors) on the first tire change.

As for the 2.9Qt... it has little to do with metric system. Engineering is optimization. If the engineers determined 2.9Qt to be the optimum amount, why spec a drop more? Do you think Ducati engineers should throw a few more ingots of aluminum on the Panigale to make it an even 400 lbs?

Anybody can build a machine that is strong enough; a good engineer builds one that is just strong enough. Proper margins of safety taken into due consideration, of course.
Well I don't think the engineers took BORC into consideration so they may need to recalculate.

Having seen fork stems break when coming off a jump in a motocross race you have got to wonder if it is metal fatigue, engineering, just bad luck or the owner missed the recall notice.

YOu also have to think about engineering from the stand point of how to optimize human motion etc. Cars are manufactured for different parts of the world, why not bikes.
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You both read that wrong (grsa being the second)

Go back and read it again, yeah it's not worded in the best way possible but he clearly was siding with the op?
Most of the time I regret reading his post the first time. So why would I ever want to go reread them?
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