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Old 06-04-2013, 08:48 AM   #21
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Track is never a bad thing, but I don't think that's the limiting factor with OP. Traffic interaction is. That, you don't get to learn at the track.

First off, don't commute. Not yet. It isn't more dangerous per se, just a whole lot more traffic to interact and negotiate. Too much to process while you are still trying to work the basic bike handling, which needs to be near-second-nature and instinctive if you are commuting in dense traffic.

For now, start by riding in off hours and/or back roads with little or no traffic. Get comfortable and proficient at that first. Then try riding commuting.
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to add on to that if you dont mind and u may agree to disagree BEVO but ive just made it a habit to learn how to engine break and i use it to slow down and then add additional braking to it its not used as an emergency brake by any means but u def notice a DIFFERENCE for slowing down such as stop sign to stop sign
that's fine for reg breaking, but in an emergency sit, I recommend having the clutch all the way in and concentrating on braking vs braking and engine braking
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that's fine for reg breaking, but in an emergency sit, I recommend having the clutch all the way in and concentrating on braking vs braking and engine braking
This is good advice for motorcycle. engine braking only acts on the rear wheel, unless you ride one of those with fancy hydraulic driven front wheel. Most rear disc brake are powerful enough without engine brake assist.

Cars, especially FWD ones are a different story. Those you should let engine brake assist even in an E-stop. Not trying to veer the topic away, but a bit of clarification.
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if you let it be that much, it is that high

practice using both brakes cuz 1 day that back brake could be the difference between stopping and hitting an object

preface your bad advice with your limited riding experience please
its pretty simple, on your sport bikes you start using your front brake.. starts compressing the forks, the rear starts getting lighter. You dont have that much traction left on that rear, unless youre Racer X then you wont be using that back brake at all. Ask most level 2 level 3 track riders and ask how many of them use their back brakes... And now lets not forget this guy is level one, doing his first track day.
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its pretty simple, on your sport bikes you start using your front brake.. starts compressing the forks, the rear starts getting lighter. You dont have that much traction left on that rear, unless youre Racer X then you wont be using that back brake at all. Ask most level 2 level 3 track riders and ask how many of them use their back brakes... And now lets not forget this guy is level one, doing his first track day.
That's not normal braking for the street. Check the OP
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That's not normal braking for the street. Check the OP
The OP doesnt have 10+ years of riding experience like you, if he uses that back brake in a emergency situation. I'll bet you he'll end up locking it up. The difference between using the front brake alone properly, and using the front/rear brake properly will only stop his bike a couple extra feet.
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The OP doesnt have 10+ years of riding experience like you, if he uses that back brake in a emergency situation. I'll bet you he'll end up locking it up. The difference between using the front brake alone properly, and using the front/rear brake properly will only stop his bike a couple extra feet.
When I started on my 250 last year, I for sure locked up the back panicking. I kept it up every time, but it was still nerve racking.
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The OP doesnt have 10+ years of riding experience like you, if he uses that back brake in a emergency situation. I'll bet you he'll end up locking it up. The difference between using the front brake alone properly, and using the front/rear brake properly will only stop his bike a couple extra feet.
Yea, and as inexperienced as he is he'll probably lock up the front brake too if used in an emergency situation alone. He needs practice and seat time
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its pretty simple, on your sport bikes you start using your front brake.. starts compressing the forks, the rear starts getting lighter. You dont have that much traction left on that rear, unless youre Racer X then you wont be using that back brake at all. Ask most level 2 level 3 track riders and ask how many of them use their back brakes... And now lets not forget this guy is level one, doing his first track day.
Start the braking process by putting drag on the rear brake will settle the chassis and keep the front end from diving as easily when the front brake is applied. This provides additional stability than using front brake alone. Basic technique that will make your street riding smoother and safer.

Besides, locked rear is far easier to deal with than a locked up front.

Not all track/race riding techniques transfer well to street riding. Or vice versa.
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Why not set up a little ride with Nesto1000 and show him the ropes. Think would be more helpful than reading.
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Why not set up a little ride with Nesto1000 and show him the ropes. Think would be more helpful than reading.
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The OP doesnt have 10+ years of riding experience like you, if he uses that back brake in a emergency situation. I'll bet you he'll end up locking it up. The difference between using the front brake alone properly, and using the front/rear brake properly will only stop his bike a couple extra feet.
learn to hammer the rear brake with a set of knobbies and be off road....

Doing it on the street is not much different...sometimes I do it on a worn out tire just for fun

I DO NOT reccomend it for n00bs or " I have never rode a dirt bike' crowd
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Yea, and as inexperienced as he is he'll probably lock up the front brake too if used in an emergency situation alone. He needs practice and seat time
Yes he does, thats why I would practice using the front brake right now so he can get really good with 95% of his braking power, and then later on learn to use the other 5% with his back brakes.
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learn to hammer the rear brake with a set of knobbies and be off road....

Doing it on the street is not much different...sometimes I do it on a worn out tire just for fun

I DO NOT reccomend it for n00bs or " I have never rode a dirt bike' crowd
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Yes he does, thats why I would practice using the front brake right now so he can get really good with 95% of his braking power, and then later on learn to use the other 5% with his back brakes.
95% is an exaggeration for the front brake on the street with normal braking
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Yea, and as inexperienced as he is he'll probably lock up the front brake too if used in an emergency situation alone. He needs practice and seat time
I agree with the old man.

I strongly disagree with the advice give at the track day class room about...dont use your back brake because it only adds a couple of feet difference in stopping.

if that is the case WTF is aback brake doing on a bike (street and track)
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get a grimlen bell and loud pipes

and use both brakes, but learn to use them well, maybe in a parking lot

you should be able to find the threshold where the rear tire locks. Practice this a few times in a straight line.
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I agree with the old man.

I strongly disagree with the advice give at the track day class room about...dont use your back brake because it only adds a couple of feet difference in stopping.

if that is the case WTF is aback brake doing on a bike (street and track)
One reason they tell novices to use the front brake alone at the track is to make braking simple
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if that is the case WTF is aback brake doing on a bike (street and track)
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learn to hammer the rear brake with a set of knobbies and be off road....

Doing it on the street is not much different...sometimes I do it on a worn out tire just for fun

I DO NOT reccomend it for n00bs or " I have never rode a dirt bike' crowd
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