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Old 06-07-2013, 12:41 AM   #21
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Yes because calling someone out will do any good how? Instead of calling them out just force them to wear it. Actions speak louder than words. I'm just going to and moan and not doing anything about it. It gets nowhere. People are out there and still wearing no gear. I think we should go to their houses and berate them. Public service you know?
Contradiction.

how is telling someone to wear gear not doing anything about it.

everyone has their own life, and opinions yes but, kind sir, You are wrong in that aspect.

I rode for 2 years without gear, has a similar crash to your buddy, just not as bad.

still road without gear, till someone finally said ( from motohouston no less)

You can not ride with me if you dont wear gear.


guess what, some times actions speak louder than words, but sometimes all it takes its a few stories and some brutally honest truth to get to you wear it.
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:04 AM   #22
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Contradiction.

how is telling someone to wear gear not doing anything about it.

everyone has their own life, and opinions yes but, kind sir, You are wrong in that aspect.

I rode for 2 years without gear, has a similar crash to your buddy, just not as bad.

still road without gear, till someone finally said ( from motohouston no less)

You can not ride with me if you dont wear gear.


guess what, some times actions speak louder than words, but sometimes all it takes its a few stories and some brutally honest truth to get to you wear it.
While you are telling them how wrong they are. They can get on their bike without giving a rat's about what you say and ride off without gear. Saying is not always equal to doing. Hence the phrase "actions speak louder than words". I also have motorcycle mates who don't wear gear. A couple of them crashed. One was sore but had no cuts at all and another broke his collarbone which only happened because it was his already weakened collarbone in an accident at a slower speed which happened while he was wearing a leather jacket.

I have no faith in my gear and I personally don't like to bother with it but I bought it so I don't want my gear to just pick up dust. That's wasting money despite my faith in it or lack thereof. Plus when you ride dirtbikes for a while you will get tired of gear at least that happened to me.

Of course, any rider can opt not to ride with someone with no gear but if somebody told me that then I wouldn't want to ride with them anyway. If that was the rider's sole criteria. I mean can't they think of anything else? Say I'm a douchebag or that my bike is too slow (or too fast) or whatever. My personal choice of gear has that much of an effect on you? Wow.

I get it you make fair points but from what I see. When somebody about anything not just gear. I'm thinking that the person doesn't have the and force the person to fit to their style. Anybody can talk. If you feel that strongly offer to buy him/her gear. He/she could very well afford but the fact you offered to purchase gear which I'm sure you know can get expensive is definitely a strong action. Saying does not always equal doing. I just would like to think that my life is far too hectic to get bothered over someone's gear preference.

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Old 06-07-2013, 02:18 AM   #23
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Copper why don't you start your own thread on it rather than hash it out in OP's updates, or use the 'shame' thread instead of this one.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:25 AM   #27
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Hope rider will be okay... without his spleen. Must not be that important if it is removable. May be it's the body's sacrificial organ to protect more important ones.
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AND... back to the topic.

Wishing your friend a speedy recovery. Sometimes, all you can do is try to get your friend to wear gear. I wouldn't push it on him with anything with a "see, I told you so" mentality. Copperhead is taking it to the extreme a bit with actions speak louder than words. In the end, everyone makes their own choices. It's not your duty to play daddy (or mommy?).

Again, hoping for the best.
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When I pointed out the lack of gear he agreed that he should. He even admits that's what they stressed in his MSF course. I used to ride without gear a long time ago but I didn't know a lot about riding either. Once I started ha ging out with experienced riders (even before I bought my R1) they all stressed the importance of gear. Being that I was older and knew I wasn't "invincible", gear was what I bought on my way home while trailering my bike from the dealer.
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Any word on whether the helmet broke or not?

I hope he is up and about soon.
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Supposedly his helmet shattered. He didn't suffer any head trauma other than the broken jaw. This is the report I've gotten so far. Supposedly a car veered into his lane knocking him off. I'm sure there is more to the story but no one is sharing. He's a noob so, if I had to guess, he was riding above his experience level. He was on a 2013 ZX6R.
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Latest update is that he is out if ICU and off the breathing machine. He's awake too. So far so good.
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While you are telling them how wrong they are. They can get on their bike without giving a rat's about what you say and ride off without gear. Saying is not always equal to doing. Hence the phrase "actions speak louder than words". I also have motorcycle mates who don't wear gear. A couple of them crashed. One was sore but had no cuts at all and another broke his collarbone which only happened because it was his already weakened collarbone in an accident at a slower speed which happened while he was wearing a leather jacket.

I have no faith in my gear and I personally don't like to bother with it but I bought it so I don't want my gear to just pick up dust. That's wasting money despite my faith in it or lack thereof. Plus when you ride dirtbikes for a while you will get tired of gear at least that happened to me.

Of course, any rider can opt not to ride with someone with no gear but if somebody told me that then I wouldn't want to ride with them anyway. If that was the rider's sole criteria. I mean can't they think of anything else? Say I'm a douchebag or that my bike is too slow (or too fast) or whatever. My personal choice of gear has that much of an effect on you? Wow.

I get it you make fair points but from what I see. When somebody about anything not just gear. I'm thinking that the person doesn't have the and force the person to fit to their style. Anybody can talk. If you feel that strongly offer to buy him/her gear. He/she could very well afford but the fact you offered to purchase gear which I'm sure you know can get expensive is definitely a strong action. Saying does not always equal doing. I just would like to think that my life is far too hectic to get bothered over someone's gear preference.

You're acting like dumbass. My "gear" saved my face from gett smashed in, my arm from being broken, my ankle from being snapped and my hands from loosing all the flesh off of them.


Telling people to wear gear DOES help, why? Some peolple dont realize the danger. I know many people who wore gear because their friends harassed them and then they ended up getting in an accident/
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Latest update is that he is out if ICU and off the breathing machine. He's awake too. So far so good.
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dam shattered his helmet?!? holy

will keep him in my prayers.

I also usually ride without a jacket (when its hot). I always have helmet, pants and gloves. To each his own.

If u willing to ride without gear just be prepared for the consequences
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dam shattered his helmet?!? holy

will keep him in my prayers.

I also usually ride without a jacket (when its hot). I always have helmet, pants and gloves. To each his own.

If u willing to ride without gear just be prepared for the consequences

This is true. If he was more experienced I probably wouldn't have bothered but this was his first bike. With his lack of experience I figured he needed all the protection he could get. Personally, I think he might have been trying to keep up with faster riders and someone cut into his lane but I'm just speculating. I took him to RR a few weeks ago but I ran at legal speed when I saw him having trouble with some of the corners and made sure to check on him periodically to make sure he was ok.
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If he chooses to ride again, the OP's friend will likely wear gear. Some of us learn in different ways, some by experience.
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Yeah, his bike is probably a write off too. Heard it caught fire. It would make a sweet track bike.
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Glad he is getting better. Gear is soooo important. Be safe out there.
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You're acting like dumbass. My "gear" saved my face from gett smashed in, my arm from being broken, my ankle from being snapped and my hands from loosing all the flesh off of them.


Telling people to wear gear DOES help, why? Some peolple dont realize the danger. I know many people who wore gear because their friends harassed them and then they ended up getting in an accident/
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