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Old 03-19-2007, 07:40 AM   #1
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Old 03-19-2007, 07:44 AM   #2
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if you want ultra light race bikes to ride on the street you have to be ready deal with crashing a race bike. oh well on the the new comapaint.

if i were insurance companies i would make new generation bikes very very very high to insure.
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if you want ultra light race replicas to ride on the street you have to be ready deal with crashing a race replica. if i were insurance companies i would make new generation bikes very very very high to insure.
How about not insuring the suzukis because they are not safe to ride. They are the only ones that seem to not have figured out the art of welding.
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How about not insuring the suzukis because they are not safe to ride. They are the only ones that seem to not have figured out the art of welding.
suzukis break and other bike frame bend. they are both not usable afterwards so who cares.

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suzukis break and other bike frame bend. theyare both not usable afterwards to who cares.
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That bike hit a concrete wall head on at 50 mph. Broke the frame but the forks and front wheel look good. Some kid wrecked it while still in the dealership parking lot.

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There seems to be a trend with Suzukis in particular.

Last September, at a TWS (Texas World Speedway) Ridesmart trackday, a 1K Gixxer got split in half through a high side.

Here is a newsarticle about another one:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9314629/detail.html

The Motorcycle Journal also posted some pictures and it wasn't even at the welding. Warning! Big Pics.

http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/fo...p-pict1770.jpg

http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/fo...-pict17721.jpg
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[QUOTE=Faylaricia]There seems to be a trend with Suzukis in particular.

Last September, at a TWS (Texas World Speedway) Ridesmart trackday, a 1K Gixxer got split in half through a high side.

It was a low side well sorta. The bike wheels hit the inside curbing which probably made it do something wild when it was tumbl'ing. I also did a lowside at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that only hurt the plastics and sub frame. TWS (Texas World Speedway) Sux!@!!@@!!
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Kawasaki had the same problem with frames cracking in the 94 era. Those were legit cracks bacause they hadn't been wrecked yet. My friend had one that cracked. I also had 2 friends that had the necks on their 2001 GSXR frames crack. Neither one crashed them. It is all about metallurgy. They flex time and time again and fatigue sets into the metal. However these issues on the welds with Suzuki are due to the welding process itself. They are not preheating the 2 metals before welding. This causes the metal to be brittle around the welds. Items should never break at the point of the weld. They should bend away from the weld.

But you know that running into a brick wall never prevent a bike from being destroyed. The best way to not break the frame would be to not crash it. This idiot said that he knew how to ride cause he had ridden a dirtbike...lol. He reved the bike up and let the clutch out and wham, wall and an empty wallet. He failed to get insurance before taking delivery on the bike. He said that he was going to get it on Monday (Today) lol. Too late.
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suzukis break and other bike frame bend. they are both not usable afterwards so who cares.
i'd rather it bend than break while I am on it. At least my slow heavy bike will get me where I am going each and every time.
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Most of the sportbikes today use an extrusion cast frame, while they are strong, they are brittle when impacted.

One of the primary reasons we decided to race Honda this year is because of the durability of their frames.

I've seen a number of GSXRs and R6s with broken frames.
Honda and Kawasaki frames have held up pretty well compared to the others, although the 636 has had sporadic transmission issues so we chose not to race one again this year. Good bike though.
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That bike hit a concrete wall head on at 50 mph. Broke the frame but the forks and front wheel look good. Some kid wrecked it while still in the dealership parking lot.
No doubt I bet you a car frame would bend if you hit a wall a 50mph. The dealership should be spanked for selling a bike like that to a newbie. I think we should adopt Europe's policy of starting newbie on 250s for a year then 600s for a year then they can buy litre bikes.
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WTF GUYS. these are bikes not steel caged cars from the 70's.

WHY THE F&*k you expect them to be perfectly fine after you WRECK THE $#iT out of them i dont know. CHRIST.
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WTF GUYS. these are bikes not steel caged cars from the 70's.

WHY THE F&*k you expect them to be perfectly fine after you WRECK THE $#iT out of them i dont know. CHRIST.
Chris,
While I understand your point, and agree to a certain extent, however, I've seen MULTIPLE GSXRs break / crack their frames even after a relatively mild get off.
To me, it's unacceptable to have to include a frame and subframe as part of my race spares kit.
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WHY THE F&*k you expect them to be perfectly fine after you WRECK THE $#iT out of them i dont know. CHRIST.
no doubt that s bike would be trash after hitting a wall, but the problem goes deeper than that. Too many reports of improper welds(cold welds). A bike should not break because it gets wheelied every now and then.
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the best thing to do when you get a new gixxer is take the engine out and weld extra bracing on the inside of the frame.
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the best thing to do when you get a new gixxer is take the engine out and weld extra bracing on the inside of the frame.
any pics of said modification?
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