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Old 05-29-2013, 08:46 PM   #1
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250 or 450

I'm looking for a dirt bike. I'm having trouble deciding on which one I want, 250 or 450. I'm 5'7" 160lbs. Both bikes are almost identical sizes so being kinda short sucks either way. I haven't ridden in the dirt for awhile but I track my 636 fairly often. I'm just worried if I get the 250 I'll get bored and need to upgrade. I'm not gonna be racing it at all it's just to train on and play with the family. I'll ride a lot so maintenance is also an issue even though I will do everything myself. Thank for any help.
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All the newer four strokes are going to be more maintnance than the older aircooled fours. If you can find one, an xr400 will be good. They are bombproof, low maintnance, and tractor like torque. I personally have a wr250f, and coming off the xr250 its pretty fast. Plenty fast enough to hurt yourself lol. What kind of riding are you going to be doing mostly. Also whatever you get make sure it has the magic button (e-start).
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I'll mostly do MX tracks.
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A 250 is gonna be more friendly and manageable , the 450 will catch up to you if you are not experienced and 100 percent focused. If its about fun and family do a 250.
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I say 450. It just so happens that I have one for sale on this forum. LOL.
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At your weight and goals, a 250 4-stroke would be more than a ton of fun. If you've never ridden a 450 on the track, they can be alot to hold onto for more than 4-5 laps if you're gettin on it. They are tractors. I can promise you won't get bored with a 250 on the track they absolutely rip, plus they feel light and flackable compared to alot of 450's. Basically, if you get bored on a 250, MX isn't for you. Find a new hobby. lol.
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At your weight and goals, a 250 4-stroke would be more than a ton of fun. If you've never ridden a 450 on the track, they can be alot to hold onto for more than 4-5 laps if you're gettin on it. They are tractors. I can promise you won't get bored with a 250 on the track they absolutely rip, plus they feel light and flackable compared to alot of 450's. Basically, if you get bored on a 250, MX isn't for you. Find a new hobby. lol.
this disregard my initial post. MX 250 four stroke is what you need.
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i'd say jump on as many bikes that people will let you sit on and ride...but given your stats, a 250f would easily haul you into a berm with more speed than you would likely feel comfortable with, and that is all speed produced by your wrist's turning...it will still likely be able to give you more if you wanted.

on a straight hard packed flat perfectly graded ground, you might ask for more...but on a MX track, or in the wilderness, you probably won't find that.

whatever you get, the first thing you should do is attempt to set your rear sag. this will let you know what spring rate you will need and get you moving in the correct direction towards getting your shock and spring working properly.

EDIT: i'm a 135-140 lb 5'6" guy and will ride 250f/450f or anything else that someone doesn't care if i toss on the ground. my current mx setup is 250f and woods is a 200 2T.

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i'd say jump on as many bikes that people will let you sit on and ride...but given your stats, a 250f would easily haul you into a berm with more speed than you would likely feel comfortable with, and that is all speed produced by your wrist's turning...it will still likely be able to give you more if you wanted.

on a straight hard packed flat perfectly graded ground, you might ask for more...but on a MX track, or in the wilderness, you probably won't find that.

whatever you get, the first thing you should do is attempt to set your rear sag. this will let you know what spring rate you will need and get you moving in the correct direction towards getting your shock and spring working properly.
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I recommend to everyone getting into MX, before you spend a dime on performance/horsepower mods, spend the money on a good suspension setup. You won't believe how much better a bike will feel with suspension tailored to your riding style, weight, etc. Not only are you more in control of the bike, but it takes alot less out of your when pounding out the laps. Less having to fight the bike. Proper suspension setup will take more seconds off your lap times than any exhaust, cams, intake, mapping, etc.
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Thanks guys I'm leaning toward the 250, found a few yz's '06-07 but I was on the fence for a kx450f. Looking at a few today.
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So I narrowed it down to a crf250r. Looking at 2. One is an '07 $2500, nice shape and new top and bottom and clutch, basically stock. Two is $3500 an '09 fresh upgraded motor, large forks, Hinson clutch, yosh exhaust, and about everything else except wheels. Any help?
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I would just buy the one with the least amount of hours you can afford so you know what you got. Tons of people buy dirt bikes and don't ride them much. I recently bought an 08 yz250f that was purchased new in January and only ridden 2 or 3 times. It looks new and was $3,500. Good maintenance is so important with them that I just don't trust anyone else to have done it. Also found a 2011 kx250f that had everything done to it. It had 12 hours on it. It was like $4k.
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i'd say jump on as many bikes that people will let you sit on and ride...but given your stats, a 250f would easily haul you into a berm with more speed than you would likely feel comfortable with, and that is all speed produced by your wrist's turning...it will still likely be able to give you more if you wanted.

on a straight hard packed flat perfectly graded ground, you might ask for more...but on a MX track, or in the wilderness, you probably won't find that.

whatever you get, the first thing you should do is attempt to set your rear sag. this will let you know what spring rate you will need and get you moving in the correct direction towards getting your shock and spring working properly.

EDIT: i'm a 135-140 lb 5'6" guy and will ride 250f/450f or anything else that someone doesn't care if i toss on the ground. my current mx setup is 250f and woods is a 200 2T.
Hotnanas and Kdog are not bullshitting about suspension setup. Will make it a whole new bike. Also if worse comes to worse you can shave the seat down a bit to keep it from "bucking" you off the pegs when the seat jumps up and hits you in the if your legs are short. 250f is tons of fun.
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So I narrowed it down to a crf250r. Looking at 2. One is an '07 $2500, nice shape and new top and bottom and clutch, basically stock. Two is $3500 an '09 fresh upgraded motor, large forks, Hinson clutch, yosh exhaust, and about everything else except wheels. Any help?
tough one....if you eventually think you would need all these mods, it wouldn't hurt to start here...but ask yourself some questions.

there's a lot of give/take in the motobike world, especially dirt toys. Why is an 09 motor rebuilt with all these goods? Was it ridden that much that it needed it? Did someone decide to mod it out because money burns holes? or did they shatter the original clutch? did the 09 have so many hours that the motor needed work? what work did they do? top end? bottom end?

how much do you want to ride it? how do you feel about buying a $2500 or $3500 bike and in 4 weeks its a needing a new head? how much do you plan on dumping into gear? bike setup? etc.

I can ask questions for days. i'm just typing with no clear direction because there's a lot out there.

My personal "dirtbike" strategy is not to spend more than $2000 on anything since I am going to go all the way through it myself. The first thing I do when I get a used bike is put it on the stand, drain all the fluids, rebuild the forks with SKF seals and tossing in "suggested" spring rates, install a shock spring based upon the previous spring and the results of my sag setup, new chain, new sprockets, clean the out of the airbox, install a brand new air filter, trim/replace bars for my preference, check all the lines and hoses, check the head out and valve clearances, new spark plug, fresh gas, and I'm sure some other little things. All this is done besides whatever customization that I already know I will need + new plastic and graphics.

these are all things you will have to do in the first 6 months anyway.

I'd say quit looking at craigslist and pricing and find what you like with your rear end. i prefer non-modded as close to OEM as possible. These were likely ridden by someone who bought their first dirtbike and found little time to ride it.
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I'd say quit looking at craigslist and pricing and find what you like with your rear end. i prefer non-modded as close to OEM as possible. These were likely ridden by someone who bought their first dirtbike and found little time to ride it.
This is a very good point and I share the same theory here. There are exceptions, of course, but it always makes me a little uneasy talking about buying a bike from someone I don't know that has hot cams, big bore, etc. Odds are it was rode hard and rode alot. I'd take a bone stock bike with little wear on it as opposed to a heavily modded bike with alot of wear for the same price 9 times out of 10. But that's just me.

FWIW, Honda MX bikes are amazing bikes and will always get my preference. Yamaha is a close second in my book. If you can find a clean crf250 that's mostly stock with low hours or a fresh OEM rebuild for the right price. That's the ticket right there. Just my .02
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