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Old 04-11-2013, 07:36 PM   #141
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Problem is you've got these public spirited rides with parking lots full of nice bikes that are ridden hard because the older guys and more experienced riders have more money and skills and the young guys so badly want to be a part of it. It's like inviting an 17 year old kid over to drink scotch. He thinks he's cool for an hour but will just wind up puking on your carpet.
3 years ago our SMR was not very organized at all and we would see young kids trying to hang with the pro racers in the front group, now we are more organized with a page full of rules for anyone attending our rides.

One way to stop less experienced riders from riding outside of their limit is to only allow the more experienced riders to ride in the first group, this way we avoid mixing people with different skills levels ride in the same group (just like at the track). As per your example, they are invited to the party and there will be scotch, but only available for the few people that can handle it, for the rest we still offer beer or sparkling wine, at the end everyone has fun!
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Old 04-11-2013, 07:40 PM   #142
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I'm a young rider ( started at 23, going on two years now ) and I'm glad OP posted this. In the end its all based on the mindset of the person. When I go to rides like SMR and see the "nice bikes" , I'm there to learn and get advice from experienced riders and hear their stories. At least for me, its not about proving anything just learning and enjoying a ride away from texters and other distracted drivers. It's simple to me, if I feel uneasy about the ppl or ride I just don't go or leave but not everyone my age has that much control over their ego.
I am glad you exercise common sense and dont let your ego dictate how you ride! Our SMR objective is to have fun riding together as a group, its not about speed, group 3 has as much fun as group 1 when you take speed out of the equation!
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I agree...but there is one scheduled this Sunday, one week after this occurred.

Personally, I think taking one SMR off after this occurred (and someone is being buried) would be a little more in line with proper decorum.
I respect your opinion but truth is, people will ride no matter if i post it or not, you have 2 groups going to the hill country ride, people doing track days and people riding by themselves trying to enjoy the good weather. We will be meeting on Friday to discuss new rules and hopefully test it out on Sunday, all in an effort to make our rides much safer for everyone, what do we accomplish by sitting at home? Some of us are also planning to ride to a Benefit BBQ on Sunday for Jim, should we all just take our cars instead?
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I read all these post about things that happen, its a good learning tool for me. I have to admit these group rides look fun but I know I am just not ready to organize with others and pay attention to my riding and traffic as well. Even track riding is off my books for at least my first year.

I understand the OP's post. I can understand the tone of the post for what happened because i saw this same stuff back in my car racing days. I saw kids get killed/hurt because they tried to run with the big dogs or just try to earn respect with people they might see just one night. Do things they'd never do until in that group mentality.

As far as the group rides, you can post rules and do a sound off at the meet but someone will mess it up. You can read the rules for baseball and ace a test and still f up the game to no end. I think taking newbies on huge group rides is a bad idea. Maybe start small and mentor for awhile then allow into these bigger group rides. The temptation is too large to go on the field and try to be pro. Tryin not to be shamed by taking it easy and slowin the group down because they are uncomfortable but don't wanna be the wuss.
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I hear ya Brandt and I get what your trying to say, it's sad to see someone go like that. And your right, his family will have to deal with all the aftermath of this tragedy.

PS. Be sure to bleed your brakes this weekend.
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3 years ago our SMR was not very organized at all and we would see young kids trying to hang with the pro racers in the front group, now we are more organized with a page full of rules for anyone attending our rides.

One way to stop less experienced riders from riding outside of their limit is to only allow the more experienced riders to ride in the first group, this way we avoid mixing people with different skills levels ride in the same group (just like at the track). As per your example, they are invited to the party and there will be scotch, but only available for the few people that can handle it, for the rest we still offer beer or sparkling wine, at the end everyone has fun!
Curious what professional racers ride/rode with the SMR group...
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there must be a lot of " wanna be street killers" on this forum since almost 3500 views wanted to open up a thread that said "To all you wanna be street killers.."
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I understand brandt and don't need to write out paragraphs to explain it. you ride with a large group and people WILL go down, it's a numbers game. This is real life. RIP to the fallen
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Curious what professional racers ride/rode with the SMR group...
lol he was talking about carlos back then
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I didn't personally know the rider who passed last weekend but I met him once or twice on the SMRs. Accidents will happen, we all accept that whenever we got out of bed. Motorcycles just exacerbate the possibility of something going wrong. What really happened last week we will probably never know. Was he riding above his limits? Did something distract him or maybe he was doing everything right an a mechanical failure caused the accident. I totally agree with the OP that rides do and will cause riders to ride above their ability to try and keep up with the faster guys or to be able to brag to their friends about how fast they took a corner. Personally, I have more respect for guys who can keep their ego in check and ride a reasonable pace without being dangerous to themselves or others. , I've got a 1000 and I can't keep up with some talented guys on 250s and . Am I embarrassed? Not at all, they have more experience than me and I'm cool with that. I think that's really what Frank tries to stress on his rides is that nobody is impressed with a jackass wannabe (ask that R6 guy). I know I can go faster on RR and CRR but I don't for the simple fact that after a certain speed, the level of concentration needed to keep everything in line actually takes away from the enjoyment of the ride itself. Maybe that's just me getting older. Just my $.02.
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... if everyone on the ride gave $200.00 and the other self proclaimed wealthy guys picked up a litte more of the tab, the $10k would be raised as fast as you could made 6 runs up and down racers road.


... The day the accident happened there were so many visitors and people stayed until well into the night. As each day passed fewer and fewer people came.


A remarkably honest post that cut through reality like a razor.
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BRO. obviously you've never been to a SMR.
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Good lord, this thing blew up.

Brandt, as we talked. "With age comes a cage".

LOL.......hang'in it out for a $100 cert. and a .25 cent piece of metal sliver.

Man that speaks volumes (classic). Have you followed up with Steve & that seat he has to fill? TJ.

PS.... Don't jump the RED Lights this weekend. HAHA.
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Do you ride SMR'S? Haven't seen you.
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Do you ride SMR'S? Haven't seen you.
Did a few in the beginning of the year, work schedule hasnt been allowing me to do any lately :( bike is just kinda chilling in the garage man, you ready to do a td next month man!
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unfortunately what happened to Mark was not under his control, i think it must have involved a car running into his lane when he exited that corner. He was riding in group 2 so we can rule out the "keeping up with the faster guys on group 1 theory
Since no one saw him crash, this is all just speculation. Obviously he was so far ahead of the riders behind him, they didn't even notice he was missing on any of those long straights leading back to I-10. He must have been riding faster than the riders behind him. A lot of riders try to run a road they're familiar with a little faster each time they ride it. This could be what happened to Mark. That bridge has a dip in it and hitting it too fast could upset the bike plus he could have turned in too early, add too much speed and it could have caused him to run wide. In my experience, especially in group rides, a vast majority of crashes are due to rider error.

I wasn't there, I didn't witness the crash. Apparently no one did.

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You racer road heros and 3090 heros take a risk of going to jail or worse everytime tou do it for what? 5 min of glory?? The track and racing is dangerous I know but atleast its a controlled environment where the road is clean debris free zero cops and ambulance on site if injury occurs.
1. Uh, riding 3090 at a brisk pace has never given me the feeling of being a hero or having any glory.
2. Besides motorcycle parts, sliding motorcycles, unseated riders, turtles, deer, etc., the track is pretty clean.
3. I like the street and the track
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