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Old 04-11-2013, 02:44 PM   #121
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This is why after about ten years on the streets I have adopted a 95 percent dirt to 5 percent street riding ratio, sure I can die off road, but the chances are way less likely. I did have a blast at TMGP though and will likely as time allows do some track days.
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I'm still reading the thread, but I have to see, this nailed it.
I agree. It's one thing to tell the noobs to "ride your own ride", it is quite another then to blaze off and set an example for all to see and aspire to.

The very first SMR I went, Floydd was the lead. The pace was moderate as there were quite a few cyclists out that morning. By the time we got to end of RR, Floydd announced we are cutting the ride short because of the cyclists. I was impressed with not only how the ride went, but how it ended.

" Out" rides should be private and by invitation ONLY.

If you are going to organize public GROUP rides, make sure you set by example as to what a GROUP ride should be.
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Brandt and others.... I hope you go on my Memorial Ride if I ever go out this way! Shoot I would want a memorial ride anyway I go!! Not sure if we have to worry about people reading these threads...because at least we are... especially for those who need a reality check, either on the track or not...this could happen to anyone of us! Glad you weren't hurt at the track Brandt. Yeah there wasn't a barbed wire fence or Semi Truck! Not all of us have to agree on things but we are still one community, and it just really sucks Mark had to go out like he did! Joshua2007 one of his best friends was at the track. It made me think if he would have been there with his friend at the track would it have happened? Hindsight is 20 20 right...

The only thing I can take away from this thread is that there are three things that I fear can happen!
1. Getting Paralyzed and not being there for my family,
2. dieing and not being able to be there for my family,
3. Losing a close friend. I haven't and don't want to know how that feels! So I guess I should stop riding then because if I keep meeting more people would it be safe to say I could meet and lose on of you!

I am grateful that my family puts up with me and I am also extremely blessed to be able to have the capability and somewhat common sense to get insurance in case I get hurt! I know I worry the outta my Girl! She does feel better about me riding track though, and all my wrecks have been worse on the street I have to say!

So whomever is reading this...if you can do one thing....get covered...by your job...on your own... short term, and long term disability...shoot max it out if you're anything like some of the guys on here that happen to push to the limits of riding.. If you say you can't afford it, think again...if and when you do go down I promise its way more expensive without it. In fact, this time around I think I will try to get some Aflac! I wonder if Mark was covered, I am assuming not because of the Donation Fund. Wow so many things happening lately!

I hope we are all paying attention!
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I have lost a lot of friends and family... it happens.
The last group ride i was on was 15 years ago.
I have yet to meet anyone from any of the forums that I can not get along with, nor anyone I would want any harm to come to.
I love racing TMGP, I love doing trackdays, at my age, I get slower not faster every year. I do it for the fun of it, not to see how fast I can go. How much i put into every race or every trackday, depends on how i feel that day and how well my body is cooperating... some days i am faster than others, but i am slow all days... I am not fast, never was fast and am never going to be fast... does that make me less of a rider than the fast guys, not in my eyes. For me it was always for the joy i got out of it... if somebody is faster and goes off with out me, so be it, their joy is not what i ride for. When you ride, ride for the pleasure of it, not to impress anybody...the fastest guys you know have someone faster than they are, and they still enjoy it.
I feel a bit of sadness, a bit of pain, when ever i hear that someone has gone down, but then i move on.. i have a wife, i have kids, i have grandkids...and that is not going to change. I am never going to make an effort to impress you, don't make one to impress me. I enjoy watching the fast guys ride, but it does not make me wish i was them.
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I couldnt agree with you more brandt. Its just not worth the risk on a open road to push the limits. Its dangerous and against the law. There is no trophy for getting somewhere the fastest or riding the longest wheelie. We are supposed ti enjoy riding feeling the wind on our face the freedom of the open road. There is no freedom in a hospital bed or worse. You racer road heros and 3090 heros take a risk of going to jail or worse everytime tou do it for what? 5 min of glory?? The track and racing is dangerous I know but atleast its a controlled environment where the road is clean debris free zero cops and ambulance on site if injury occurs.
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Brandt and others.... I hope you go on my Memorial Ride if I ever go out this way! Shoot I would want a memorial ride anyway I go!! Not sure if we have to worry about people reading these threads...because at least we are... especially for those who need a reality check, either on the track or not...this could happen to anyone of us! Glad you weren't hurt at the track Brandt. Yeah there wasn't a barbed wire fence or Semi Truck! Not all of us have to agree on things but we are still one community, and it just really sucks Mark had to go out like he did! Joshua2007 one of his best friends was at the track. It made me think if he would have been there with his friend at the track would it have happened? Hindsight is 20 20 right...

The only thing I can take away from this thread is that there are three things that I fear can happen!
1. Getting Paralyzed and not being there for my family,
2. dieing and not being able to be there for my family,
3. Losing a close friend. I haven't and don't want to know how that feels! So I guess I should stop riding then because if I keep meeting more people would it be safe to say I could meet and lose on of you!

I am grateful that my family puts up with me and I am also extremely blessed to be able to have the capability and somewhat common sense to get insurance in case I get hurt! I know I worry the outta my Girl! She does feel better about me riding track though, and all my wrecks have been worse on the street I have to say!

So whomever is reading this...if you can do one thing....get covered...by your job...on your own... short term, and long term disability...shoot max it out if you're anything like some of the guys on here that happen to push to the limits of riding.. If you say you can't afford it, think again...if and when you do go down I promise its way more expensive without it. In fact, this time around I think I will try to get some Aflac! I wonder if Mark was covered, I am assuming not because of the Donation Fund. Wow so many things happening lately!

I hope we are all paying attention!
We are paying attention , looking forward to be part of your first out ride soon
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In a world of instant gratification and wanting quick results, what some people fail to realize is that the one thing all the really good riders have is experience. Saddle time, track time, countless miles, etc. Some people get in such a hurry to be at that level, that they take short-cuts and don't take the necessary steps to insure they reach those levels the right way! Well, we all know what happens when you take short-cuts, and on a bike sometimes it can end with tragic results!
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Frank, thanks for the invite this Friday but I'm out of town.

I'm not trying to sound condescending here. Trust me. It's only by 's grace that I survived my street days. We'd wear holes in the knees of our jeans trying to show our . It was always about who could keep the pace whether we said "ride your own ride" or not. I suffer from the same things that cause problems... EGO, insecurities, approval seeking behavior etc.

Some guys push the track and racing a lot. If you can't stop pushing your limits and ride responsibly, like me, then the track is your best option because crashing at triple digits on the back roads will not turn out well.

But even then, I sometimes reflect and think of how selfish it is of me to push my limits in racing, eatin' constantly for what? A 25 cent sliver of metal to go on a particle board plaque? A $100 tire certificate? It's all pretty irresponsible but I think there are levels to the irresponsibility. I'm an adrenalin junkie. My family knows this. I'm insured and I try to do my thing in the most controlled environment I can find.

It wasn't always this way for me. I'm reborn.

Smart people learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.

Anyway... I'm surprised this thread turned out ok. I knew when I made it it could go south quickly! See y'all around!

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Frank, thanks for the invite this Friday but I'm out of town.

I'm not trying to sound condescending here. Trust me. It's only by 's grace that I survived my street days. We'd wear holes in the knees of our jeans trying to show our . It was always about who could keep the pace whether we said "ride your own ride" or not. I suffer from the same things that cause problems... EGO, insecurities, approval seeking behavior etc.

Some guys push the track and racing a lot. If you can't stop pushing your limits and ride responsibly, like me, then the track is your best option because crashing at triple digits on the back roads will not turn out well.

But even then, I sometimes reflect and think of how selfish it is of me to push my limits in racing, eatin' constantly for what? A 25 cent sliver of metal to go on a particle board plaque? A $100 tire certificate? It's all pretty irresponsible but I think there are levels to the irresponsibility. I'm an adrenalin junkie. My family knows this. I'm insured and I try to do my thing in the most controlled environment I can find.

It wasn't always this way for me. I'm reborn.

Smart people learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.

Anyway... I'm surprised this thread turned out ok. I knew when I made it it could go south quickly! See y'all around!
Hey Brandt, i do agree with you and do see a good point of why you started this thread. I really appreciate your good intentions here, i just hope those young kids would listen more to us the older guys instead of letting their ego take over whenever they go on group rides. I have also slowed down a lot and most of the times you will find me not in the front of the first group but instead leading or sweeping the second or third group. Too bad you will be out of town this weekend otherwise i would've loved for you to share your experience with us all.
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Problem is you've got these public spirited rides with parking lots full of nice bikes that are ridden hard because the older guys and more experienced riders have more money and skills and the young guys so badly want to be a part of it. It's like inviting an 17 year old kid over to drink scotch. He thinks he's cool for an hour but will just wind up puking on your carpet.

I also think it's time this stops
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I agree...but there is one scheduled this Sunday, one week after this occurred.

Personally, I think taking one SMR off after this occurred (and someone is being buried) would be a little more in line with proper decorum.
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I'm a young rider ( started at 23, going on two years now ) and I'm glad OP posted this. In the end its all based on the mindset of the person. When I go to rides like SMR and see the "nice bikes" , I'm there to learn and get advice from experienced riders and hear their stories. At least for me, its not about proving anything just learning and enjoying a ride away from texters and other distracted drivers. It's simple to me, if I feel uneasy about the ppl or ride I just don't go or leave but not everyone my age has that much control over their ego.
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