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Old 04-11-2013, 10:01 AM   #21
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I'm not saying anything about the track.

I think what I'm trying to say is that it's not worth risking your life and leaving the folks who really care about you behind.

I see all these people who have died or permantly injured themselves and after a few weeks of acting like they really give a , it's business as usual for all their moto buddies and the families are left picking up the pieces.
I know but it is the nature of that sport, might have more uncontrolled dangers out on the street riding fast on backroads but coming down hot on sugar and spice has its own risks as well......
At the end of the day it is your life and your choice to take those risks...I believe people do give a when someone they know get hurt but after a while life goes on and people move on to their daily routine....and the injured one stays with the pain but it is part of the game when you get on that bike and decide to ride fast.
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I took away from it that riding the street like a track is not worth the risk. There are inherent risks in riding to begin with, why tempt fate on the street with significantly higher speeds and a much greater chance of something happening outside of your control?
And all in an effort to prove you somehow "belong" to some elite group or something.

You get it Randy. And I think RacerX does too which is why he just talks a lot of online but you won't find him within 30 miles of a spirited SMR. He knows better.
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I'm not saying anything about the track.

I think what I'm trying to say is that it's not worth risking your life and leaving the folks who really care about you behind.

I see all these people who have died or permantly injured themselves and after a few weeks of acting like they really give a , it's business as usual for all their moto buddies and the families are left picking up the pieces.
Riding a motorcycle is pretty dangerous in itself. So should we not ride because it's not worth the risk?
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It's just a little heads up post that hopefully some new guy who was planning to join a spirited ride, and try to keep up, might read and rethink his plan. That's all. Live and let live.
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after a while life goes on and people move on to their daily routine....and the injured one stays with the pain but it is part of the game when you get on that bike and decide to ride fast.
You know this Eric. And so do I now. But does a 20 something REALLY know this and believe it in his heart?
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Riding a motorcycle is pretty dangerous in itself. So should we not ride because it's not worth the risk?
Your missing the whole point of the thread.

This isn't a track vs street thread. However, I will say this. I've seen far more people injured/killed when I rode the street compared to the track.

If I go down I rather do it at the track not slide into a car, fence, tree, etc.
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It can and does happen, but at the track, the folks you are riding with know you went down, there is help there immediately and folks are not continuing the ride not even knowing you are missing.
regardless people still die at the track


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right, cuz racers and trackday doers never get hurt or killed
I just wanna say those who are willing to spend money and day to go out to track to learn more and go faster in safe environment would be a little more responsible than the highway warriors.

I started going out to track when I had health insurance, life insurance and money to pay for the day, gear and potential damage.

I'm assuming others are the same?
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Riding a motorcycle is pretty dangerous in itself. So should we not ride because it's not worth the risk?
Thats not what he is saying......


Sucks how some can't take constructive criticism about the safety on their rides.
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It's just a little heads up post that hopefully some new guy who was planning to join a spirited ride, and try to keep up, might read and rethink his plan. That's all. Live and let live.
I know and understand the reason behind your post....now on a totally different topic....you never posted details regarding your fall at ECR after the straight(never rode there),i believe you had no more brakes coming down the straight...any reasons why, did you just go straight off the track ? It looks like you came out really lucky after coming down with so much speed....
Always curious of something like this happening especially knowing the bike you ride....
Sorry if i changed the subject but when i heard it ,was quite curious of the details of your incident.Glad you are ok,must be a f......scary feeling.
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I just wanna say those who are willing to spend money and day to go out to track to learn more and go faster in safe environment would be a little more responsible than the highway warriors.

I started going out to track when I had health insurance, life insurance and money to pay for the day, gear and potential damage.

I'm assuming others are the same?
you're assuming a lot of things that aren't true, unforn
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Riding a motorcycle is pretty dangerous in itself. So should we not ride because it's not worth the risk?
He's not saying we shouldn't ride. I believe he's hoping that it will give those inexperienced riders a better understanding of risk vs. reward.

That is my hope for the thread.

If you ride like that for yourself then there's not much that can be done for you, however, if you think that you're going to get some kind of recognition for doing triple the speed limit on a public road; well, nobody is really going to give a a week after you can't ride with them anymore.
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It's just a little heads up post that hopefully some new guy who was planning to join a spirited ride, and try to keep up, might read and rethink his plan. That's all. Live and let live.
I read it and was pretty sure this is what you meant
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you're assuming a lot of things that aren't true, unforn
It's not a Street VS Track thread however, I know that there are a lot more people that ride street than track but in 6 years I can't think of 1 person who was killed at a track day here in Texas.
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I took away from it that riding the street like a track is not worth the risk. There are inherent risks in riding to begin with, why tempt fate on the street with significantly higher speeds and a much greater chance of something happening outside of your control?
^This, and he's tired of temporary sympathy from those who are...in the grand scheme of things...minimally affected by a rider getting injured or dying.

When a rider goes down we all feel it. We have a common thread and it reminds us of our own mortality. The feeling is stronger if it's a forum member and even stronger if we know them personally. Except for those that fall in the latter group, most of us have the, "man, that really sucks" attitude for a few weeks or months then it's back to life as normal for us.

Humans have an uncanny ability to "forget" things they'd rather not think about. In cases like this, while we're "forgetting," the rider's friends and family aren't even halfway through the grieving process. A handful of us may take the incident to heart and slow it down a little from now on, but the majority will slow down for a week or two (if at all) then it's back to hooliganism as usual. OP doesn't like this, and I'm inclined to agree with him.
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I know and understand the reason behind your post....now on a totally different topic....you never posted details regarding your fall at ECR after the straight(never rode there),i believe you had no more brakes coming down the straight...any reasons why, did you just go straight off the track ? It looks like you came out really lucky after coming down with so much speed....
Always curious of something like this happening especially knowing the bike you ride....
Sorry if i changed the subject but when i heard it ,was quite curious of the details of your incident.Glad you are ok,must be a f......scary feeling.
Yea.. longest straight on the track.. 2000+'.... probably in the neighborhood of 155mph followed by the slowest corner on the track, a 2nd gear left hander. I reached for the brake and nothing. Pumped it at least twice.. nothing. Locked up the rear for a sec... scrubbed maybe 20mph and bailed as soon as I got to the grass because the run off is horrible at ECR. Entire exhaust, radiator, case cover, body work ,clip ons, rear sets....etc.. $5k ish in damage. I'm good... banged up shoulder, knee and back. I think I got a bit of headshake and the pistons got pushed back into the calipers. Scariest thing that has ever happened to me!
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Yea.. longest straight on the track.. 2000+'.... probably in the neighborhood of 155mph followed by the slowest corner on the track, a 2nd gear left hander. I reached for the brake and nothing. Pumped it at least twice.. nothing. Locked up the rear for a sec... scrubbed maybe 20mph and bailed as soon as I got to the grass because the run off is horrible at ECR. Entire exhaust, radiator, case cover, body work ,clip ons, rear sets....etc.. $5k ish in damage. I'm good... banged up shoulder, knee and back. I think I got a bit of headshake and the pistons got pushed back into the calipers. Scariest thing that has ever happened to me!
wow thanks for the details....thats what happen when you fast guys brake at the last minute ,no room for mechanical glitches.....I don't have that problem...
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I understand where your coming from, because when I first got in this game I rode with you and Jimmy who I thought were maniacs at the time on the road. I tried my best to keep up, even though that was stupid, but I learned alot because you guys were helpful. Others were not so lucky to have people looking out. THat being said, this is an expensive grown man sport, and if you can not afford to insure and protect yourself, then you probably shouldn't be acting like valentino on the road. People move on with their lives because we have to. Sucks to say it but everyone has their own cross to bear. Some are smart and protect, others cheap out and act stupid. Last I checked obama has not made us socialistic yet, so its not my or the community's responsibility to take care of someone. All you can do is tell people, but that doesn't mean they listen
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