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Old 04-08-2013, 10:55 AM   #321
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True about the sweeper... on Bevos and Pinballs rides there was a headcount at any stop sign. Or at least waited till everyone was there... if he had ANY friends in the group, they would have noticed him missing. Then again... the next stop WAS the gas station.

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Sad part is he died all alone. RIP, brother
... Sad part is that ~25 bikes (group 3) passed by... along with whoever was behind him in Group 2. Then a few of us a 2nd time.


Scotts picture actually points to the turn with the bridge, but just after (north) of the bridge... so Frank may be right about the bridge/bumps unsettling the bike. Looks like he hit one of the orange arrow signs on the right side of the road. That turn does get tighter and tighter (or seems to as you roll on the throttle). I'm gonna have to check my gopro footage for a bent over sign, though I don't have a very good angle (backwards from undertail)
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Old 04-08-2013, 10:56 AM   #322
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There was little to no indication on the road he went down. the only indicator was one of the left turn Chevrons was knocked over, but in the country this is common.
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I plan on going out there tonight after work probably around 6PM. If any one wants to join. I will have a moment of silence and than see if anything can be found. Purely sounds like an unfortunate accident and that bridge can be a bit unnerving with the grooves it has in it.
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As one of the sweepers this past Sunday, it makes me incredibly sad that I could have missed him. I'm constantly scanning up the road and on the sides as a sweeper to insure everything is going smoothly. You make an excellent point in keeping a headcount of the riders. This is something I'll be sure to do on future rides with groups.
This is a very sad thing. It's easy to say and hard to do but DO NOT beat yourself up about this. You can't and won't catch everything. The fact you were acting as a sweeper shows you were trying to help make it a safer ride.
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First of all my condolences to his family and prayers sent. RIP brotha.

From reading all the post it seems he might have went down on some part of 1489? If he was there when Frank put his kickstand down yet not there at the Exon? I dont understand why they said he would of been in brookshire then. Yet even with a sweeper I could see how in those turns someone could disapper and the rider behind not even see a signal or any type of debris. I am saying this because months ago the same thing happened. We couldnt find the rider. Yet there was 2 people behind him and tragicly he was found next morning despite our searching riding the same roads over again.

Again Prayers sent. RIP
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I hope he went quick and didn't have to suffer. Couldn't imagine laying there hearing your friends go by and not be able to cry for help... this is sad, so sad
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As one of the sweepers this past Sunday, it makes me incredibly sad that I could have missed him. I'm constantly scanning up the road and on the sides as a sweeper to insure everything is going smoothly. You make an excellent point in keeping a headcount of the riders. This is something I'll be sure to do on future rides with groups.
I have been in same situation not to long ago. We thought perhaps he had just split and went home or something. We even were getting because we were like why wouldnt he have told us he was leaving. Not making things any better this was a night ride.

This is horrible news and even though I never met the guy it hurts deeply to hear.
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sbiker21 did some investigative work on his way to work this morning... he talked to the PD to find out where it was.

They said "2/3 mile south of brookshire on 1489".
He followed the road and found the accident location... including orange markings and a bent pole with a blue paint on it.

Traveling from simonton, towards Brookshire....

You pass Hunt RD, make a sweeper to the right,
then Left long turn with the bridge in the middle of it,
slight right as you exit that turn.... that's where it happened. Maybe a little after... Sbiker/scott was being a little vague on the phone, and there is a another SLIGHT right after that.

If the guys following him were back a ways at all, they would've been in the blind turn over the bridge.

This means that the entire group 3 rode by, and Scott, RJ, and I all rode by a 2nd time while headed back to Monstermanus.

And yes, there were sweepers, but there was no head count, nor stop along the way to see if everyone was accounted for.
Didnt see this post yet. Very sad to hear and no one can really beat themselves up over it. Its not something you expect to happen. +1 for future head counts
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I plan on going out there tonight after work probably around 6PM. If any one wants to join. I will have a moment of silence and than see if anything can be found. Purely sounds like an unfortunate accident and that bridge can be a bit unnerving with the grooves it has in it.
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I will be there at 6. You might want to bring a weedeater of some sorts because the grass and weeds are tall
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A sweeper will not always see that someone went down ie if they are behind them in a blind turn. Once a bike has gone off, it is not always obvious due to plastic or other remnants you would expect. A head count is extremely important.

Group rides I attend always pause at intersections and wait to take a total head count. These are usually groups of ten or less. Larger rides make it even more important. When the count if off, you have to retrace your route slowly to look for a missing bike, you'd be surprised how easy it is to miss one that has gone off. Unfortunately, I know this from experience.
I do too. When I broke my back
In '99, no one in the group noticed until they got to a stopping point much farther up the road. Its lonely and scary lying there hurt by yourself. I hope he didn't suffer. Fortunately for me, someone in a car noticed and called for an ambulance. The group I was riding with we're good people and experiences riders. They were friends of mine. It can happen all too easily.

There are always lessons to be learned from situations like these, but at this point the most important thing is to wish the best for his friends and family. RIP
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I hope he went quick and didn't have to suffer. Couldn't imagine laying there hearing your friends go by and not be able to cry for help... this is sad, so sad
Ahh, that sent chills down my spine.


Hmm..so.....if we didnt see him...how did the cops see (find) him????????????
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Hmm..so.....if we didnt see him...how did the cops see (find) him????????????
Does anyone remember any bicyclists on this road? It could have been one of them.
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Didnt see this post yet. Very sad to hear and no one can really beat themselves up over it. Its not something you expect to happen. +1 for future head counts
I am still in shock and sad about all this because i was just started to get to know him better after riding with him several times. What many dont know is that i do keep a list of riders that i print out the night before that helps me do a head count at the Exxon without anyone noticing me doing it, BTR is the only person that saw this list since he was supoosed to lead the 2nd group but i decided to stck with him so he can become familiar with the route.

In an effort to make our future rides a bit safer i have decided to:

1. Instead of just me doing the head count at the Exxon, i would like to get everyone involved by providing name tags for group 2 and 3, that way whoever is riding behind someone need to learn the name in front and report if the rider in front is missing. I will also print out a list for everyone to ck their names off at the Exxon before RR.

2. Depending on the route, i will also assign a mandatory last stop, usually a gas station for everyone to ck their names off again before leaving the ride, if anyone has to leave earlier please inform us so we know of this situation.

3. RR south will no longer be part of our route, i have seen way too many accidents on that bridge where Mark went down and i have always mentioned that i walk my bike over the bridge because of the bumps on it, so in order not to take unessesary risks, we wont be riding this road again for group 2 and 3, riders in the first group can still ride it, they have done it for a long time without any incidents so i see no reason for the first group to avoid the roads that they enjoy and know like the palm of their hands.
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Bicyclists were everywhere... though I didn't happen to see any on that stretch while we (group 3) were on it. I know when I bicycled I liked that stretch because it had some shade.
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I dont remember seeing any cyclist on RR south, but i did see a few in Brookshire.
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I remember that turn and the bump. I beleive there were also loose gravel along.
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