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Old 03-26-2013, 05:56 PM   #21
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:58 PM   #22
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If it's ok to hit someone who's riding a motorcycle with a police cruiser because they are running, I say we just give LEO AT4's to take them out. WAY more entertaining with about the same results. LOL.
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at this point i do not know enough to condemn the cop...
and yes i believe that if you run from a cop, they should do what ever it takes to stop you. if it is blowing out tires or ramming.
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if everyone KNEW that they wouldn't be chased, think of how many would bail, and how many more crimes would be committed?
Then take guns from cops, criminals will no longer need theirs....

No chase, maybe no crimes....
No guns.....
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But , this is the real world....
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Serious question: I'm actually kind of curious as to what is actually considered ok when it comes to stopping a vehicle. Does a specific suspected crime come in to play when determining what force is acceptable to make a stop, or is lethal force ok period when someone runs?

Edit: Not asking for opinions here. Want to know what is legal.
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so...let criminals just get away with right? Because THATS what would happen. Real world, if the initial officer cant get them, the criminal would get away. You cant just call in the birds whenever you have someone run, there aren't enough, plus you still need units on the ground to continue the chase. and apprehend them once they bail.
So risking the rest of the motoring public for ONE dipshit is worth the lives of everyone on the road?

Let em go, they'll get stopped soon enough. Now, if the guy just blasted a bus load of nuns and orphans, I am all up for him getting chased....to an extent.
Once the bird is up and on him/her....call off the road chase.
Petty traffic violation........ no.
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Serious question: I'm actually kind of curious as to what is actually considered ok when it comes to stopping a vehicle. Does a specific suspected crime come in to play when determining what force is acceptable to make a stop, or is lethal force ok period when someone runs?
I don't know the law, but IMO, if you run FOR ANY REASON, use of lethal force should be used. Let people know that if you run, you will face the consequences.
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So risking the rest of the motoring public for ONE dipshit is worth the lives of everyone on the road?

Let em go, they'll get stopped soon enough. Now, if the guy just blasted a bus load of nuns and orphans, I am all up for him getting chased....to an extent.
Once the bird is up and on him/her....call off the road chase.
Petty traffic violation........ no.
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I don't know the law, but IMO, if you run FOR ANY REASON, use of lethal force should be used. Let people know that if you run, you will face the consequences.
I know my first post was impossible to take seriously, but in the second I really wanted to know what Law Enforcement Agencies are told in regards to when lethal force is authorized for a traffic stop. I'm not trying to prove any point here; just want to know, and for the record have never ran from LEO nor endorsed it.
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Thats tough but I have to agree with Solracer. Say you attemt to stop them. Badguys haul outta there knowing cops wont chase them. Next intersection badguys wipe out a kid walking home from school?
I dont know if a cop would be thinking that but I would.....
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I don't know the law, but IMO, if you run FOR ANY REASON, use of lethal force should be used. Let people know that if you run, you will face the consequences.
WOW..... You advocate 1700's era justice.....
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WOW..... You advocate 1700's era justice.....
As a matter of fact.....
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Honestly man, I've up, I've broken the law, and I've gotten away with I'm glad that I did. Most have. I've also been busted for I've done wrong. Never once have I ran or gotten mad at the police for stopping me? How hard is it to accept responsibility?
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Honestly man, I've up, I've broken the law, and I've gotten away with I'm glad that I did. Most have. I've also been busted for I've done wrong. Never once have I ran or gotten mad at the police for stopping me? How hard is it to accept responsibility?
Thats not the point.

There is so much more that can and does go wrong with these chases than good comes out of it.

If the perp runs, he will soon enough get caught. Why? he is a dumbass and will be stupid and get busted...problem solved. If he runs and a chase insues....some innocent gets caught up in it, one way or another.

Our Justice system is sooo up it aint funny. I can't tell the difference between here and Angola.

Cops(the ones who chase, IMHO) have a complex, it comes with the badge. Some grasp for it with the thought of everlasting power. Some use it for good, some just shrug.

I am all up for punishment of criminals, but all too often it is dished out the wrong way and at the wrong time.
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Honestly man, I've up, I've broken the law, and I've gotten away with I'm glad that I did. Most have. I've also been busted for I've done wrong. Never once have I ran or gotten mad at the police for stopping me? How hard is it to accept responsibility?
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Honestly man, I've up, I've broken the law, and I've gotten away with I'm glad that I did. Most have. I've also been busted for I've done wrong. Never once have I ran or gotten mad at the police for stopping me? How hard is it to accept responsibility?
I get what your saying, and with so many people doing really stupid it is easy to comprehend why others are unsympathetic when someone pays the price for being stupid. It seems the video may have provided a specific example of what I'm talking about.

I just wish it was one way or the other; either remove all warning labels, add chlorine to the gene pool (I realize I may be in danger here...), and roll with it, or stick stringently to the rules of our society. Which brings me full circle back to my question. Does law enforcement have a legal right to use lethal force in a traffic stop in general, or does the nature of the suspected crime/crimes dictate the level of force that can be legally used to force a stop?
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I get what your saying, and with so many people doing really stupid it is easy to comprehend why others are unsympathetic when someone pays the price for being stupid. It seems the video may have provided a specific example of what I'm talking about.

I just wish it was one way or the other; either remove all warning labels, add chlorine to the gene pool (I realize I may be in danger here...), and roll with it, or stick stringently to the rules of our society. Which brings me full circle back to my question. Does law enforcement have a legal right to use lethal force in a traffic stop in general, or does the nature of the suspected crime/crimes dictate the level of force that can be legally used to force a stop?
No they cannot. They can only use lethal force when preservation of life is at risk. Unfortunately, they cannot comprehend that they create the situation, then want to remedy the problem they caused.
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I dont get why some people dislike police so much ??? The media will twist any story and make it "juicy". Police get such a bad rep because people trust the media way too much. The only type of peraon that doesnt like police is the one that is always breaking the law in some form or fashion. If chases get to hazerdous to citizens they are called off. We cant just let everyone get away. Like Chris said, if all the criminals knew they wouldnt be pursued they would all run. How does this help society. Sometimes its a double edged sword bro you gotta realize that.
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I dont get why some people dislike police so much ??? The media will twist any story and make it "juicy". Police get such a bad rep because people trust the media way too much. The only type of peraon that doesnt like police is the one that is always breaking the law in some form or fashion. If chases get to hazerdous to citizens they are called off. We cant just let everyone get away. Like Chris said, if all the criminals knew they wouldnt be pursued they would all run. How does this help society. Sometimes its a double edged sword bro you gotta realize that.
Your making way to many assumptions.
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i dont see how that was an accident. That was definately intentional. The guy is still at home, so they werent doing anything too terrible. From the limited info, i would say the officer went a bit overboard.
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