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Old 03-06-2007, 01:21 AM   #1
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U.S. Health Care

I was reading a wiki article today and noticed the following quote.
"The overall performance of the United States health care system was ranked 15th by the World Health Organization.[118] The United States far outspends (combined private and public expenditures) any other nation in healthcare, measured in terms of both per capita spending and percentage of GDP."
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"The average salary of a physician in the US is the highest in the world."

This is quite shocking to me.
I'm far from even being remotely knowledgable about health care, I have virtually no experience/knowledge about it, so that's why I wanted to make this thread since I'm sure a lot of you have more experience and knowledge with health care. What are your thoughts? Do you think this is a symptom of a capitalist society or mismanagement of some finer details? Or something else?
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:35 AM   #2
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It is like anything else. They lobby and we get to pay for it.
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It's a racket.

Give it 20 years and it will be so unfordable that the health care system will price itself out of business.

At this pace we will end up with some sort of universal government run health care system, we just need to make sure that the problems are fixed and not exacerbated when the government takes over.
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I think we should adopt some kind of mixed system. Where a good public health care system was available as well as a privately insured option.
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what are the benefits of that? again, i'm completely ignorant on the topic.
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what are the benefits of that? again, i'm completely ignorant on the topic.
Well this is just a personal theory but, I think that if we had a general public health system this would cover alot of people and issues currently driving up insurance and medical bills. With those issues being confronted the insurance industry would have to adopt a competitve pricing model for their products. So, one may ask why have insurance if you can be a citizen and get health care for free? Well, this would be your direct ticket to specialized doctors and such. Kind of how HMOs and PPOs currently work. Also, this would allow the insurance folks to sell you a bundle of some sort for alot better pricing hopefully. So they could market to you a life, health care, short term and long term plan for a fraction of the cost. Just a theory.

Also involved with this theory would be to still treat any illegals for free like they get now but be deported after treatment. Along with their anchor baby.

What you guys think? Care to expand on my idea?
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They have a socialized health care system in the UK and it's sucks a$$ - BAD. Most people have to wait for weeks to see a doctor. Imagine going for a year with a toothache before the dentist will see you.
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They have a socialized health care system in the UK and it's sucks a$$ - BAD. Most people have to wait for weeks to see a doctor. Imagine going for a year with a toothache before the dentist will see you.
Exactly why I think there should be a few options available.
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yes, only the poor should have to wait a year
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yes, only the poor should have to wait a year
Hate to say it, but this might be true. Beggers can't be choosers.

Healthcare is expensive because of drug and insurance companies. Reform those and we'll be on the right track.
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yes, only the poor should have to wait a year
Well, a year would be rediculous but, I am far from a socialist and believe that if you work for your money and would like to see a doctor sooner or a specialist then you should be able to pay for that. Otherwise you would have to wait for a period of time. Unless it is an emergency of course but, my plan is not that far off from what is happening now. Mine is just goverment subsidised so that all Americans at least have some kind of access to health care. I mean, do you want the level of doctors that the US employs to drop off because they could not capatalize after 8 - 10 years of school?
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Hate to say it, but this might be true. Beggers can't be choosers.

Healthcare is expensive because of drug and insurance companies. Reform those and we'll be on the right track.
Yep, again it would have to be a multi tiered approach to reform. Public health care is only part of that but, it could be a big part. Of course no one wants to start loosing money that is currently reaping the rewards of the current setup.
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perhaps we could cut down the MD to a 2 year program? :dontknow:
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MD?
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Ah, yes that is funny.
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Well this is just a personal theory but, I think that if we had a general public health system this would cover alot of people and issues currently driving up insurance and medical bills. With those issues being confronted the insurance industry would have to adopt a competitve pricing model for their products. So, one may ask why have insurance if you can be a citizen and get health care for free? Well, this would be your direct ticket to specialized doctors and such. Kind of how HMOs and PPOs currently work. Also, this would allow the insurance folks to sell you a bundle of some sort for alot better pricing hopefully. So they could market to you a life, health care, short term and long term plan for a fraction of the cost. Just a theory.

Also involved with this theory would be to still treat any illegals for free like they get now but be deported after treatment. Along with their anchor baby.
Bravo!

And I like the idea of a multi-tiered system. You would be affording the have nots options, while the have's also have the option to seek upgraded or higher tiered, better quality healthcare and service. Too bad the guv-'ment won't be looking to do this...it's too good an idea
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Bravo!

And I like the idea of a multi-tiered system. You would be affording the have nots options, while the have's also have the option to seek upgraded or higher tiered, better quality healthcare and service. Too bad the guv-'ment won't be looking to do this...it's too good an idea
I feel you on that. We as a people of this nation really need to figure out how to put an end to the current lobbyist autocracy in DC. Hope that phrase makes sense.
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I feel you on that. We as a people of this nation really need to figure out how to put an end to the current lobbyist autocracy in DC. Hope that phrase makes sense.
The sad thing is that it actually makes perfect sense when considering the current climate of things in that particualr region of the country...
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