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Old 03-19-2013, 12:15 PM   #41
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:31 PM   #42
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Honestly you should have purchased a motorcycle that was better at going slow for your first bike, but, here is my advise: Sit in a chair and practice SIMULTANIOUSLY rolling off the throttle, pulling the clutch, and shifting up. Do that until you don't have to think about it, and when you get on the bike to try it, go easy with the throttle roll on after you have selected the next gear. I wouldn't recommend any shifting while cornering until you can do this smoothly, it sounds like you have a lot of practice to do. Try to keep your rpm's low so it doesn't get squirrely on you. This should all be one seamless action wether you are using the clutch or not. Good luck.
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Clutch hand should be like your trigger finger. Smooth. Dont be jerky or too fast with it. If you are delicate enough with the clutch, you should barely need any gas to get moving.
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Honestly you should have purchased a motorcycle that was better at going slow for your first bike, but, here is my advise: Sit in a chair and practice SIMULTANIOUSLY rolling off the throttle, pulling the clutch, and shifting up. Do that until you don't have to think about it, and when you get on the bike to try it, go easy with the throttle roll on after you have selected the next gear. I wouldn't recommend any shifting while cornering until you can do this smoothly, it sounds like you have a lot of practice to do. Try to keep your rpm's low so it doesn't get squirrely on you. This should all be one seamless action wether you are using the clutch or not. Good luck.
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You sound like you have enough to think about once you've got the motorcycle moving. Practice until you aren't also thinking about the clutch. Keep up the (slow speed!) practice, most of your problems sound like nerves which your inexperience is exacerbating. The only cure for that is seat time.
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Ignore the flippant comments. Go find someone to show you how to shift your bike properly, then practice. Smooth is the key. Watch downshifting at speed--but learn how to do it correctly. Kudos for asking. Baby steps are just fine. Learn at your own pace. There is no stupid question, and never assume anything. Listen to the engine, and the bike will speak to you.
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You know what I would do is go back to MSF and have them show you on one of the small 250's. They may even cut you a break in price if you tell them you need remedial help. No shame or harm in asking. Tell them that is the only thing you want to focus on. Good luck
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:07 PM   #47
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to be honest you should not be on your bike if you can not smoothly shift under normal cercomstances. think about if you need slap some gears around to get out of the way... your going to eat it again, i guarentee you, you better go to msf.....
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Glad you asked the question cuz that's what you should do, but it appears you have a long way to go...maybe a 600 wasn't the best choice.

If you can get to a big parking lot or school (maybe early sat or sun) and practice there. Neighborhood has lots of cars and kids, both of which you shouldn't want to worry about right now.

I would maybe practice just starting from 2nd and going into 3rd. Maybe the 1-N-2 is messing you up.

Anyways, won't take long just RESPECT the bike or you will wad that up before you know it.

Upside is that it's a Gixxah so you'll look cool no matter what!!

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Old 03-20-2013, 08:35 AM   #49
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From reading your posts, I think you need to retake the Basic RiderCourse because you missed some important stuff.

Exercise 1 - we practice shifting with the engine off.
Exercise 4 - Nothing but shifting to 2nd and back down.
Every exercise after this (thru 17) is 2nd gear or above.
Exercise 8 - Nothing but shifting (thru 3rd gear).

On two of the evaluations (out of 4), it was mandatory to do them in 2nd gear.

The fact that you're going wide on right hand turns bothers me also. We spend several exercises practicing that.

Not trying to dog you, but seriously, you need the class again. If you took the class from us, we'll give you a discount the 2nd time. Call the office and ask. If you didn't take it from us, PM me and I'll see what I can do.
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+1 there you go Nesto!

Good stuff Challen
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I learned to shift on my first bike - a Yamaha Exciter 250 - in a couple of hrs on an empty parking lot the first day I bought it. Actually, it wasn't "learning" as much as "getting proficient at it", since I actually rode/limped the 250 from the seller's place to the empty parking lot by myself. The basic concept of shifting came easily, coordinating hands/foot actions well took a bit.

Sounds like you need to retake the BRC and practice on a 250 (or whatever they provide).
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From reading your posts, I think you need to retake the Basic RiderCourse because you missed some important stuff.

Exercise 1 - we practice shifting with the engine off.
Exercise 4 - Nothing but shifting to 2nd and back down.
Every exercise after this (thru 17) is 2nd gear or above.
Exercise 8 - Nothing but shifting (thru 3rd gear).

On two of the evaluations (out of 4), it was mandatory to do them in 2nd gear.

The fact that you're going wide on right hand turns bothers me also. We spend several exercises practicing that.

Not trying to dog you, but seriously, you need the class again. If you took the class from us, we'll give you a discount the 2nd time. Call the office and ask. If you didn't take it from us, PM me and I'll see what I can do.
I know how the shift system work, I just wasn't too sure if keeping the throttle open while shifting was good or not. I can shift up to second gear fine. What I'm also guessing that I'm not used to is shifting at the correct rpms as well since I only understand the concept. Practice makes perfect.

The going wide part, I attribute it to being a heavy 600cc sport bike. I was able to move that 250cc bike like it was nothing, I'm just not used to heavier bike, but I'm not making the wide turns anymore though. I've managed to stay in the correct lane.

I just need practice. If I had a 250cc bike, I'd probably have all of this down by now. Unfortunately my dad was the one who bought me the bike even after I asked him for a smaller bike.
I might try to trade this bike for a 250cc bike instead. I've been thinking about it for a long time, but I need to ask my dad first.

If I continue to struggle within the next few weeks I'll think about taking the class again.

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I know how the shift system work, I just wasn't too sure if keeping the throttle open while shifting was good or not.
If it feels like when you do it, it's not good. If it's smooth, then you're doing it right
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The going wide part, I attribute it to being a heavy 600cc sport bike.

No. There is something amiss with the mechanics of how you're operating the bike.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:09 PM   #56
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No. There is something amiss with the mechanics of how you're operating the bike.
There was, I wasn't turning the wheel at first. My idiot brain thought that I should just slightly lean and it'll turn. I fixed that though and that's why I don't go into the opposite lane anymore, but it was a lot easier to handle a smaller bike though.

Funny how practice makes you better.

And I'll keep that in mind Bevo. I know you said it earlier.
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There was, I wasn't turning the wheel at first. My idiot brain thought that I should just slightly lean and it'll turn.
push the habndle bar in the direction you want to go...
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:20 PM   #58
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push the habndle bar in the direction you want to go...
Yea I understand counter steering(that's what I meant when I said lean because I forgot the term name), but at a stop when turning right you'd have to physically turn the handle bars to the right as well which I wasn't doing because I'm an idiot.
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Nesto,

I still think you need help. Just based on your comments earlier and even now you don't know what your doing and will eventually end up getting hurt.

Why argue, or make excuses? Just take the msf class again. , they even offered you a deal all you have to do is send CHALLEN a pm.

Take the course again and LEARN!

I've read all your posts in this thread and you are lost. Just get the help and learn and then your golden.
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Re: How to shift?

I'm not arguing, but I will retake the MSF class if I feel like I need to within another another few weeks. My MSF instructor did say that we were not going to be ready to ride on the road immediately. He said that it would take a month or more of practicing in a lot or neighborhood till we were ready. I have only ridden the bike about 6 times since I've had it l, and all were in my neighborhood. I just need experience riding. If I can't seem to get the hang of it, I will definitely hit up Challen later.

I do almost everything that MSF has taught me, but I have forgotten a few things because I took the class in December, then it got cold and I didn't ride. I just started riding regularly around the neighborhood this week. Im going to re-read that BRC booklet that I revived from awesome cycles. Maybe I should have done that first.
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