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Old 03-19-2013, 09:22 AM   #1
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Traffic stop...I have a question

Hi All, Long story short I was stuck in a left turn lane last night where Blackhawk (four lane boulevard, two left turn lanes) tees into FM2351 (four lane boulevard). I'm on Blackhawk and after two cycles for the 2351 left turn light pass I run the red.

The officer that stopped me said I should have turned right onto 2351 and then U turned at a break in the median. That seems more dangerous and just as illegal to me. Am I wrong? Anyways, I didn't recieve a citation.

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Old 03-19-2013, 09:24 AM   #2
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How it is more dangerous?
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:30 AM   #3
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Sorry to say but that sounds right to me. I do that all the time rather than risk someone else runnin the red also and hittin me. At least with a break in the median im in control of knowin I wont get hit from someone else on either side of me. Runnin a red regardless of situation is a violation. Turnin right on red and makin a u turn where its ok to do so is not.
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Isn't a "rule" that if a light is malfunctioning, you should treat it as a 4 way stop?
If so, the light failing to detect your bike is a malfunction. Therefore it's ok to turn left when it's clear.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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No rule allows the running of a red
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18. Can I cross an intersection on a red light if my bike doesn't trigger the signal to change?

No, there are no provisions in Texas law that will allow any non-emergency vehicle to bypass a red light. You will need to turn or change lanes legally when safe then find another route. As stated in Texas Transportation Code (TRC) 544.0075 certain traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signals are required to be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle.

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Isn't a "rule" that if a light is malfunctioning, you should treat it as a 4 way stop?
If so, the light failing to detect your bike is a malfunction. Therefore it's ok to turn left when it's clear.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
No, it is a rule that a flashing red light is to be treated as a four-way stop. There is no provision in Texas traffic code that "allows" you to run a red light.

There is a provision that any automatic traffic control device must reconize a motorcycle, but there are no penatilities. Best thing to do is to make a complaint to the division responsible for maintence of the light. At least then you will have a standing for getting the ticket thrown out.

Yes, I run red lights that don't reconize motorcycles.

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Why is officers suggestion illegal. Prehaps we just need a tad more detail.

If it is COH let me know I got a kick lawyer.
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Why is officers suggestion illegal. Prehaps we just need a tad more detail.

If it is COH let me know I got a kick lawyer.
Read much? He said his way seemed safer and just as illegal and no ticket was issued. Not sure how the officers suggestion could be illegal in any way
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No, I skipped the last two sentences. I anticipated the rest of the post, and responded according to my misconceptions.
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I hope you gave him the , "I pay your salary-Go catch real criminals-you're harassing me cuz Im on a bike" speech!!!

What he said is correct by "letter of the law"....I think BEvo or someone above posted the link....
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I hope you gave him the , "I pay your salary-Go catch real criminals-you're harassing me cuz Im on a bike" speech!!!

What he said is correct by "letter of the law"....I think BEvo or someone above posted the link....
no ticket so I assume he want an
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I just say thank you Sir... and hope the next time I get pulled over for not waiting on the signal it isn't the same officer or same jurisdiction....



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Read much? He said his way seemed safer and just as illegal and no ticket was issued. Not sure how the officers suggestion could be illegal in any way
His suggestion was to turn right from the far left, left turn lane. There was traffic coming from a small grocery, but they were all turning right and not in the right lane long enough to give a green light on Blackhawk. It really was safer to cross 2351 one half at a time.

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His suggestion was to turn right from the far left, left turn lane. There was traffic coming from a small grocery, but they were all turning right and not in the right lane long enough to give a green light on Blackhawk. It really was safer to cross 2351 one half at a time.

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Wouldn't it also be illegal to turn right from the far left lane? So, to comply with ALL of the applicable laws, you need to sit there until the light changes...forever if necessary...Dammit!
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Wouldn't it also be illegal to turn right from the far left lane? So, to comply with ALL of the applicable laws, you need to sit there until the light changes...forever if necessary...Dammit!
This is what I'm thinkin'.
If you're in a left turn lane, you are trapped. You can't legally change lanes and go straight and you sure can't turn right across the lane of traffic going straight,nor would it be safe to do so.

We need Wackjum to resolve this...
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